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You don't take a 2 down run stuffer in the 2nd round. You need an impact player, not a situational run stuffer.

They want to defend the read option, theyre overreacting to RGIII. Arthur Brown would have been a better pick.

Now we have to hope he falls.
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I love this pick. We wanted to re-work the trenches and we have. Think about Hankins and Joseph this year to open up JPP! Also Cullen. Love this the more I think about the possibilities.
i completely agree. this kid has dominant potential. We have a lot of DTs but none are supreme. Joseph has 1 year left and has been decent as a pro. Rogers and Jenkins are old, Patterson has been a bust in his career thus far and Markus Kuhn was a 7th rd draft pick, who did show a little last year, but is mostly a rotational guy
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You don't take a 2 down run stuffer in the 2nd round. You need an impact player, not a situational run stuffer.

They want to defend the read option, theyre overreacting to RGIII. Arthur Brown would have been a better pick.

Now we have to hope he falls.
I disagree BBD. I agree about the run stuff and I said this earlier in the year but today's game is all situational. If he is only a 2 down player and we generate more 3rd and long's then it's perfect. The NFL like MLB is becoming more and more situational specialization if that makes sense. This is a HR pick.
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You don't take a 2 down run stuffer in the 2nd round. You need an impact player, not a situational run stuffer.

They want to defend the read option, theyre overreacting to RGIII. Arthur Brown would have been a better pick.

Now we have to hope he falls.
Sure you do. We did with Linval and it has worked out great.

Heck, Carolina did it with Star.
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Sure you do. We did with Linval and it has worked out great.
Did it?

Think about who we passed up to get him. We could use Sean Lee right now. Or Daryl Washington. Or Navarro Bowman.
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Didn't you love the Linval pick?
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Did it?

Think about who we passed up to get him. We could use Sean Lee right now. Or Daryl Washington. Or Navarro Bowman.
So? Brown is no where near as good as those guys, outside of maybe Sean Lee.

There's so many LB's available.

DTs > LBs
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I want to say In Reese We Trust. I really do. But at the end of the day, I have to trust my eyes.

This was a bad pick. Reese doesn't get it right ALL the time. He makes mistakes too.

This was a mistake. An overreaction to RGIII. Why not get Jenkins in round 3 if you wanted a NT so bad?

We've drafted a DT in the 2nd round in 3 of the past 4 drafts.

And guess what guys? Our DTs STILL suck. So what does that tell you? We're not doing a good job of evaluating DTs and we're valuing them too high.
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Didn't you love the Linval pick?
I did. Because I thought he'd develop more than he did. He just wound up being a run stuffing DT, nothing more. Hell, Barry Coffield was better.
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Linval is good. Austin sucks. We're at 50% about to go to 66%.
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So? Brown is no where near as good as those guys, outside of maybe Sean Lee.

There's so many LB's available.

DTs > LBs
Brown reminds me of Bowman. Brown is gonna be a better Pro than Hankins the way all those LBs are better pros than Joseph.

It was a bad pick.
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I did. Because I thought he'd develop more than he did. He just wound up being a run stuffing DT, nothing more. Hell, Barry Coffield was better.
That's important though. We won the SB because of his play! He opened up the game for JPP. Last year he had nothing next to him which was a big reason our pass rush sucked. This is going to work out for us big time.
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No, Reese doesn't get it right all the time. But guess what? Every GM gets it wrong more often than not. JR just happens to do it a lot less than the vast majority.
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He's a 2 down player though! Why are we taking a 2 down player who doesn't rush the passer so high?!

It's just bad allocation of resources. If you take a situational player high, it's a pass rusher. A pass rushing DE, OLB, or DT. You don't take a 2 down situational run stuffer so high.
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Sure you do. Star is a two down run stuffer. Most DTs are two down run stuffers. Actually most DTs suck and are busts. It's a difficult position to draft. If he turns into Linval it's a great pick.

You're overrating Brown. You just are. There's a reason he fell this far. LBs aren't valuable and Brown just isn't elite. He will be a good/solid LB but a great run stuffing DT is more valuable.
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He's a 2 down player though! Why are we taking a 2 down player who doesn't rush the passer so high?!

It's just bad allocation of resources. If you take a situational player high, it's a pass rusher. A pass rushing DE, OLB, or DT. You don't take a 2 down situational run stuffer so high.
Did you see my 8:09 post? This opens up the pass rush!
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Did you see my 8:09 post? This opens up the pass rush!
Lol my time is all F'd up for some reason, but the one where you said he freed up JPP?

Not really. He gets subbed out on 3rd down, and Tuck's emergence is what really freed up JPP, not Joseph.
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What's irc? I don't see any chat on here.
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Lol my time is all F'd up for some reason, but the one where you said he freed up JPP?

Not really. He gets subbed out on 3rd down, and Tuck's emergence is what really freed up JPP, not Joseph.
I don't I'm all over the place also.

Tuck was **** in the regular season until the Jets game so that didn't open up JPP. Joseph did. JPP's average year last year had a lot to do with Joseph being the only DT worth a damn.
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Am I in there? Was that one link GF or 2 separate links?
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