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Old 04-28-2013, 06:36 PM    (permalink
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What I really like is how we have brought in a lot of talent in the trenches to fight it out in camp

We have a nice mix of proven experienced vets and young guys with potential.


C Baas, Cordle

G Snee, Boothe, Mosely, Herman, Goodin, Capers, Browning, Jasper, DeGeare

T Beatty, Brewer, Pugh, Diehl, McCants, Adcock

DE Tuck, Pierre Paul, Moore, Tracy, Ojomo, Trattou, Broha

DT Joseph, Jenkins, Hankins, Rogers, Patterson, Austin, Kuhn, Skinner

I imagine we will keep 9 OL and 9 DL on the final 53 man roster, so there will be some very tough competition for spots.
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I think JPP/Moore/Yosi is the future 3 DE rotation for us.

I think Joseph is gone, so Hankins/???? is our DT core.

We better hope to God that Brewer and Mosely pan out or else we're in trouble on the OL.

I tihnk our future DBs are:

CB: Drafted Player X, Prince, Hosely
S: Drafted Player X at FS, Will Hill at SS, Cooper as the 3rd box safety in big nickel

And we need a MIKE and SAM.

Lots of holes on defense. We NEED 2 developmental OL players on our roster to pan out so we can focus on defense in the next draft.
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The developmental guys in Brewer, Mosley, and McCants, better do something with themselves. I will lose my mind if those guys don't contribute. Damn developmental OL picks. DEVELOP!
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Here are our reported UDFA signings so far (from walterfootball)

Chase Clement, TE, LSU
Charles Dieuseul, LB, Mount Union
Charles James, DB, Charleston Southern
Etienne Sabino, LB, Ohio State
Alonzo Tweedy, S, Virginia Tech
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I love this draft for us. Pugh and Beatty are two great guys to start the rebuild of our OL with. With Baas still around and coming off a good year, Booty still there as a lively body, Snee hopefully getting himself fixed over the offseason, and possibly one of our developmental picks working out, like say Jamie Brewer, our OL next season could be very capable. With Wilson behind them they're not going to need to be blowing holes wide open for him or holding them forever, so our running game could become a real weapon. Something it hasn't been since the Plax incident. I love the passing machine Eli has become, especially with Cruz and Nicks, but a running game we can legitimately call a weapon? That would be epic. If Randle broke out as well, we may have the best offense in the NFL.

Big Hank and Moore help us bolster the most important part of our D, a unit that got really worn down last year and underachieved. There's change a coming, but that doesn't mean we don't have the horses to add another ring before then, and reinforcing our DL isn't just great for us in light of the coming roster turn over, but also for our hopes at contending next year. If we bring back Boley and the DL shields the LBs better so Jacquain can really beast, web holds up for one more year and Prince takes that next step the D has the talent to step up and dominate to. I just love this draft, both long term and short.
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I grade the Giants draft a C+.

Pugh - A 2nd round talent in any other draft but because this draft lacked first round talent he was forced into the first round. He doesn't start for us until he improves his strength, barely generated movement run blocking against college DL.

Prediction: versatile in his first season while he gets stronger. 2nd season he replaces Boothe at LG. 3rd season he reaplaces Baas at Center where he'll be a probowl caliber player much like Max Unger.

Hankins - Like the player, don't like the pick with Arthur Brown on the board. Brown was an immediate starter for us and impact player. Hankins will be lucky to dress. Not because of his talent but because of our depth at DT. We need 3 starting LBs instead we draft our 7 DT.

Prediction: Hankins rides the pine the first year barely seeing the field but learning from big Shaun Rogers. Linval Joseph isn't going anywhere and our future at DT looks like Joseph, Hankins, and Austin. Thats a promising future which I like a lot.

Moore - Too good to pass up at this point and Candidate for steal of the draft. 20 years old, body is still growing and getting stronger. Learns from Tuck, Kiwi, and JPP while he sees the field as a situational pass rusher. I still can't believe we landed him in the 3rd.

Prediction: Has the biggest impact of any of our rookies.

Nassib - Again, good value. A case of trying to turn a 4th into a future 2nd. Gets to learn from Eli Manning.

Prediction: Teams will be asking to trade for him in a few years.

5-7- I only like the Hermann pick.

Prediction: Cooper and Cox don't make the team but get signed to the practice
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Summary : Giants ignored immediate needs and drafted for the future. Thats fine but they need to fill some holes left with available FA's. Dansby, Urlacher, Smith should all be on our radar.
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Im happy you guys drafted Cooper Taylor. I've known and watched him play since high school, awesome dude. He was a sick athlete, very long and fast. He actually started for Georgia Tech at safety as a true freshman. He was always around the play and made a bunch of tackles. Then he got hurt and was dropped down a little on the depth chart. Thats when he transferred to Richmond and got much bigger. If anything he'll be a least a great special team guy and back up on your team.
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Im happy you guys drafted Cooper Taylor. I've known and watched him play since high school, awesome dude. He was a sick athlete, very long and fast. He actually started for Georgia Tech at safety as a true freshman. He was always around the play and made a bunch of tackles. Then he got hurt and was dropped down a little on the depth chart. Thats when he transferred to Richmond and got much bigger. If anything he'll be a least a great special team guy and back up on your team.
What I like is that when Cooper Taylor as at Georgia Tech he was considered the fastest guy on their roster. Now he is a bulked up a bit at 6-4, 228, 4.49. He also had in ten games last year 78 tackles, 4 int and 9 pbu.
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He was about 6'4 185 when he was a stater at tech. He ran a legit 4.4 forty a that time.
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He has good size and speed, at the very least he should add depth and special teams.

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So, if we suck this year, we should just trade our soul and get Clowney. Clowney and JPP? Game over.
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Would you trade our 1st + JPP for Clowney?
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Well, no. That does not make sense. Clowney will be a stud, but so will JPP. Even if Clowney is better, how much better will he truly be able to be?

This was more just a pipe dream and would only really be possible if we sucked. Hard. Which I doubt.
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I know. I was just bringing up the hypothetical for discussion.

I love Clowney though. I think he can potentially be the closest thing to Lawrence Taylor.

For those of us who remember LT...that's worth the trade. IF he becomes that of course. He probably won't, but man is he good.
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No to JPP and a 1st.
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I think Clowney will be what Julius Peppers should have been if he had the motor and work ethic.
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Clowney is a monster but does anyone else get the feeling he'll be one of those players thats really full of themselves kind of what Lebron was early in his career? I think he's going to take a few bumps early before he becomes the NFL's best DL.
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He could become full of himself, but seriously, how hard is it to rush the passer?

JPP is a perfect example of that. If you're a freak, you just have to try and you'll get sacks.
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"Hey JPP, go chase the football"

That's basically his development in a nutshell.
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He could become full of himself, but seriously, how hard is it to rush the passer?

JPP is a perfect example of that. If you're a freak, you just have to try and you'll get sacks.
Yeah and look at how well JPP did that last year. He had I think 1 sack in the last 10 games?
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JPP had a great year, he just didn't get the sacks. He had the hurries, he had the tackles, great run stuffing etc.

The whole defense just took a giant step back. Complacency was a big part of it. He'll bounce back this year.
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I wouldn't do that. If there was a hypothetical way I'd roll the dice like the falcons did for Jones when they traded up. I would do a big time trade and give up lots of picks for the 1st overall, and get him. That would be a great hypothetical move. JPP, Moore, Kiwi and then JC.
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Yeah of course you'd do it for a WR. You don't get another 1st round pick for the next 10 years.
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Yeah of course you'd do it for a WR. You don't get another 1st round pick for the next 10 years.
Yes, well that's why hypothetical. Haha if it was madden I'd be fine with that. Of course signing him long term later would be tough. But let's see how this Moore kid turns out.
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