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Old 04-28-2013, 11:39 AM    (permalink
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Bingo. At least we didn't use a 1st rounder on Ball.
I heard on Sirus that the Packers were hoping to take Ball at #61, but we grabbed him first.

There is a ton of game tape to evaluate Ball. Even with the Badgers' excellent run blocking, teams should have a very solid assessment of what this guy is capable of. Of all the Broncos' picks, this should be the lowest risk one. I will be very surprised if he doesn't produce for us.
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Decent 3rd day, however. I'm intrigued by Quanterus Smith's upside. The Shaun Phillips signing is another smart move at DE. Less expensive than Freeney and more productive. A few missteps here and there, but overall, there is no doubt in my mind that we are a better team in 2013.
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I think Tavarres King is probably the Donks best pick. I've always thought people underrated him. Not a fan of Williams. North Carolina DLs always seem to be super athletic, but never show up on film and don't show up in the league (Peppers excepted). Quanterus Smith has an awesome name and I fear I may be hearing too much of it in future Chiefs matchups. Dysert was a guy I wanted the Chiefs to pick, so I'm disappointed that he follows Peyton and Osweiler to Denver.

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Williams was a great selection. Ball could be lethal in this offense. We wrecked Day 3 of the draft (in a good way) and King is a terrific route runner and is the speed/vertical dimension that this offense is missing. Mentally he gets it, and is a great insurance selection in case someone goes down and hopefully means Caldwell or Willis (who are making over a million) are off the team. I don't know how fully recovered Smith is, but it is fine for him to rehab redshirt and get stronger in the weight room. Getting Shaun Phillips in that regard makes it a smart move.

It was obvious the Broncos were going to get a QB and I had mentioned on MHR and various other places (since I write there) that he was likely the guy. A great value selection for us and means that we can have a legit guy to groom down the road. It could very well be possible that he supplants Osweiler as the QBOTF. Just my feelings.

On Kayvon Webster, which was an absolute waste of a pick, I offer this. (It will also discuss how bad Elway and Co. have been with their 3 and 4th round guys getting playing time).

The Broncos made it well known that they were interested in upgrading the CB position. After they picked in round two, ~ 10 CBs went and the run happened. They got rolled. There is no logical argument that can be made that Webster was their BPA on their board at the time. It simply isn't true. You can tell by the way Fox and Elway answered their question(s) regarding him at the presser that it was indeed a reach and they felt the need to get one.

They missed out on Rhodes, who was their top priority at #28 and panicked when the corners kept going on the board. They should have realized this and made a move up to get the prospect they really wanted (I have heard numerous reports on McFadden and Wreh-Wilson because of their man skills) instead of taking Webster. I am surprised they didn't take B.W. Webb over him and would have actually LIKED that selection at that point in time.

I am not generalizing, but the kid sounds dumb as bricks and sounded generally surprised that he even went that high. He also played zone coverage and has very little, if any ball skills. He has all-world athleticism and good size, but he plays flat footed and has cement feet on the field. I said this numerous times when people talked about his combine. There is no doubt this guy is only going to register on special teams this year because the learning curve he has mentally to adjust to the pro game and a new scheme (being used differently than he ever has) is going to take several years. I think his traits will work better in man coverage, but why the heck would the Broncos take a guy that early knowing full well that he is MORE THAN A PROJECT. Simple: They panicked.


Those are the reasons why the pick sucks, especially when there were dozens of quality players who could have seen the field this way in more ways than special teams on this squad. Anyone who is arguing otherwise hasn't ever seen Webster play or is blindly trusting the front office. Bottom line, a ran happen, the Broncos sat idle and they made a significant reach (at least a round) for a guy who isn't going to see much time on the field. It is really unacceptable. Everyone who is against this picks HOPES to be proven wrong, but I am willing to bet it doesn't happen.

This is what is frustrating about the Broncos. Outside of Von Miller, Rahim Moore (who needs to step it up), Orlando Franklin and Derek Wolfe, none of their picks taken (11 -- seven being in rounds two and three) under Elway's tenure have made a significant impact on the field. Three of those guys have been fantastic players early in their careers, and I am hopeful Moore can make it four. Then again, when you are picking those guys in the Top 50 -- you should be diligent enough in your scouting to not mess up. So there aren't going to be many "atta boys" for getting the job done when it is self-evident that it needs to.

Obviously Hillman, Osweiler and a few others are at least in the cards, and Quinton Carter gets the benefit of the doubt because of microfracture surgery, but when you have 11 picks in the top 110 overall in two years, you expect more than a handful of them to start games. To use the excuse that this roster doesn't have the "room" for rookies to see playing time is hogwash.

This year Williams and Ball as top two picks will have the ability to make impacts immediately. I also feel that King (who I loved), Smith and the rest of our Day 3 selections offer something to the team down the road. It is just very, very difficult as a fan to see the team mortgaging value the past two years in rounds three and four when they were absolutely loaded. It will take a few years to see how things pan out, but there are a lot of other teams who have performed well with their selections in those rounds and are having contributions early.

Denver needs more than a one or two guys from their rookie classes to start games. It's nice to see some guys in the later rounds making special teams and sub-package contributions, but it hurts to see middle round guys not performing. Here is hoping they do.
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The thing I like about the King and Smith picks is that you can see how they might be able to contribute immediately as role players (deep threat, situational pass rusher) while they develop the other parts of their game. That's pretty good for guys picked in the 5th round.

Dysert was solid value in the 7th and comes into a pretty good situation where there's limited pressure on him and lots of opportunity to learn from one of the greats.
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The thing I like about the King and Smith picks is that you can see how they might be able to contribute immediately as role players (deep threat, situational pass rusher) while they develop the other parts of their game. That's pretty good for guys picked in the 5th round.

Dysert was solid value in the 7th and comes into a pretty good situation where there's limited pressure on him and lots of opportunity to learn from one of the greats.
Absolutely. I honestly think that Denver might keep looking at QBs late every year until Peyton hangs it up. Obviously Osweiler and Dysert will be our guys now, but it didn't stop us from getting the kid from SD State (Katz?) to get some reps too.
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Absolutely. I honestly think that Denver might keep looking at QBs late every year until Peyton hangs it up. Obviously Osweiler and Dysert will be our guys now, but it didn't stop us from getting the kid from SD State (Katz?) to get some reps too.
I agree, they will keep looking. In some ways, it's a no-brainer. Burning a late pick and/or a UDFA spot on a QB is a cheap gamble that could pay off big. The downside comes when you have a situation where your starting guy feels threatened by those moves... but that's not an issue with Manning.
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Speaking of UDFA's on of my favorite rookie pickups regardless of drafted or not is Quincy McDuffie Slot WR and Returner out of UCF

Quincy McDuffie, WR, UCF
McDuffie was a return specialist at UCF, finishing his career as the school’s all-time in kickoff returns (90), kickoff return yards (2,501) and kickoff return touchdowns (six). He was a Sports Illustrated first-team All-American as a kick returner.


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i still don't get a good feeling from the ball pick, but it's done, and i'll reserve judgement until he plays. i really liked the dysert pick, and only partially because i think osweiler is garbage.
Elway & Co seem like they'd have no problem promoting a late-rounder/UDFA over Osweiler based on performance. If so, then the Dysert pick is very solid. The guy is effective under pressure (his OL ******* sucked at Miami), can move around in the pocket and make plays downfield. He's a gunslinger, though, and the coaches will need to work on his reads/decision-making.
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I'll be in Colorado for the first time in over ten years a week from today. A few buds and I will be spending the night in the Breckenridge area, recharging our batteries, and heading out on a 14 day road trip.

Just wondering if you guys know of a good place to grab a bite and a beer in that area. We're willing to explore a bit and head out of that area.
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probably a couple of others i can think of, if you'll actually be in breck itself.
Gonna be in Breck itself overnight so we may have to check out the brewery... if that's the place to go for solid beer selection. Curious to hear of other places you might recommend.
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they have pretty good beer and a decent scene, though it's shoulder season, so things are going to be pretty dead all around. quandary's at the base of peak 9, not sure if it's open, but it's a more standard bar. eric's is more divey and local.

generally breck brewery has it's own stuff, which is pretty solid. any other bar will have the standard smattering of CO microbrews, but no one up there is likely to have much special until summer season starts up.

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when did we sign quentin jammer? i can't possibly imagine he makes the roster...
Any chance of him making the roster requires a successful transition to safety. He's pretty much done as a corner. Apparently he's running with the 1st team defense in OTAs:

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Now, given that the incumbents were Mike Adams and Rahim Moore, that might not be saying much. I do find it a little troubling that the central core of the defense (DT-ILB-SS) continues to have multiple question marks.
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Excited to see what Q Smith does for us he is reportedly looking good so far, will help cushion the blow of losing Von for four games.
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i really like cj anderson. i really don't like our o-line depth.
CJ getting the tough yards. Something we've been lacking. Though I give all the backs a bit of a pass on this one, because the run blocking was terrible. However, I think Lance Ball may be in trouble because CJ has been explosive in practice as well.

Young guys on defense were making some plays. Duke Ihenacho appears to be competing for a starting spot. Irving with the FF playing the strongside. Malik Jackson looks like he'll be able to contribute at both DE and DT. Kayvon Webster with the pick. Depth on defense, other than safety, looks to be good.

Julius Thomas flashed some real potential. He's not much in the run game, but if he pans out as a receiver we will have a ridiculous set of weapons for Manning.

Shaun Phillips is an ancient douchebag, but he came to play. We've got the young legs at DL to spell him regularly - I'd say put him in Doom's old spot and see how it plays out. The other ex-Bolt, Jammer, looks like he's done.
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i wasn't real impressed with anyone in the secondary, but whatever. it was the first game. they'll have time to gel a bit. i'm still just really disenchanted with our safeties.
Duke contending for a starting spot is telling about the quality at safety. Not to discount his play, but the bar is unfortunately pretty low. Our problems on the OL come from injuries (both C's, Kuper, Clady, etc)... but the FO has to wear a fair amount of the blame for the unsettled situation at S.
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What's with all the Osweiler hype from the FO and the media? I wasn't impressed after the first preseason game, and he was just awful yesterday.
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did dysert play at all? klis makes it sound like we'll actually carry 3 qbs.
Dysert wasn't listed on the box score, and I never saw him at any point. I'm skeptical.
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Dysert wasn't listed on the box score, and I never saw him at any point. I'm skeptical.
Looks more like they're happy with what they've seen and would like to stash him on the PS w/o drawing any further attention to him. If they were serious about having him active as the #3, why not get him a few more reps?
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... which they did tonight and Dysert has made the most of the opportunity. Sure looks like we'll be carrying 3 QBs now.
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Our final 53 was announced today, here's how the roster looks.

Rookie
New Player
Starter

QB ( 3 ) - Peyton Manning, Brock Osweiler, Zac Dysert
RB ( 5 ) - Ronnie Hillman, Montee Ball, Knowshon Moreno, C.J. Anderson, Jacob Hester
WR ( 5 ) - Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker, Andre Caldwell, Trindon Holliday
TE ( 4 ) - Julius Thomas, Joe Dreessen, Jacob Tamme, Virgil Green
OL ( 9 ) - Ryan Clady, Zane Beadles, Manny Ramirez, Louis Vasquez, Orlando Franklin, Chris Kuper, Chris Clark, Steve Vallos, John Moffitt

DL - ( 7 ) - Derek Wolfe, Kevin Vickerson, Terrance Knighton, Robert Ayers, Slyvester Williams, Malik Jackson, Mitch Unrein
LB - ( 6 ) - Wesley Woodyard, Nate Irving, Danny Trevathan, Shaun Phillips, Paris Lenon, Steven Johnson
CB - ( 6 ) - Champ Bailey, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Chris Harris, Tony Carter, Quentin Jammer, Kayvon Webster
S - ( 5 ) - Rahim Moore, Duke Ihenacho, Mike Adams, David Bruton, Omar Bolden

ST ( 3 ) - Matt Prater Britton Colquitt, Aaron Brewer

Reserved
Suspended - LB Von Miller ( 6 games )
PUP - C J.D. Walton ( may return after 6 games )
Injury - WR Greg Orton
Injury - G Justin Boren
Injury - C Dan Koppen
Injury - DE Quanterus Smith
Injury - LB Stewart Bradley
Injury - LB Lerentee McCray
Injury - S Quinton Carter

Notable cuts

RB Lance Ball
RB Jeremiah Johnson
G Ryan Lilja
DE Jeremy Beal
C Philip Blake
DT Ben Garland
WR Tavarres King
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Couple transitions

Released RB Jacob Hester
Signed LB Adrian Robinson to Active Roster

Practice Squad
HB Edwin Barker
WR Tavarres King
WR Gerell Robinson
G Ben Garland
T Vinston Painter
T Paul Cornick
DE John Youboty
LB Brandon Marshall
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Wow. You guys looked awesome in the first game of the season. Welker looked like Manning's best friend.
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