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Old 04-30-2013, 02:08 AM    (permalink
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Not every QB injury is season ending. My general rule of thumb is a good back up QB will win you 2 game if your main QB is out 4 weeks. A guy like Bubby Brister kept the 1998 Broncos afloat for the 4 weeks Elway was out. No one expect a back up to carry a team like Brady or Brees, but keeping a team in the right direction for a couple game is key.
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Not every QB injury is season ending. My general rule of thumb is a good back up QB will win you 2 game if your main QB is out 4 weeks. A guy like Bubby Brister kept the 1998 Broncos afloat for the 4 weeks Elway was out. No one expect a back up to carry a team like Brady or Brees, but keeping a team in the right direction for a couple game is key.
Like Kyle Boller when Jason Campbell went down as the Raiders were in the AFC West lead.

Or Carson Palmer...

Wait...

Crap.
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when Leinart went down his back up carried us to the playoffs :D
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when Leinart went down his back up carried us to the playoffs :D
Leinart didn't work for the Raiders last year either.
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because that happens EVERY season, or whenever a backup starts. Oh, them being HOFers has nothing to do with it.

Backup qbs are worthless. when have ACTUAL backup qbs come in and won meaningful games. They're backups because they cannot start in this league and win.
No offense, but this isn't remotely logical. It is preferable to have a good backup QB. If Aaron Rodgers misses 2 games, the Packers might go 8-8 instead of 10-6. That right there is the point.

The Eagles were lucky they had Jeff Garcia in 2006. The Redskins were lucky they had Todd Collins in 2007 (as weird as it is in hindsight). IIRC, Charlie Batch has won some meaningful games in his Steelers career. I think Brad Johnson nearly got the Vikings into the playoffs back in the day. Billy Volek won the Chargers a playoff game. Again, not advocating getting a backup QB at the expense of another area of your team, but it is absolutely logical to want a good backup QB. Especially when your team is going to be fighting for a playoff spot.
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No offense, but this isn't remotely logical. It is preferable to have a good backup QB. If Aaron Rodgers misses 2 games, the Packers might go 8-8 instead of 10-6. That right there is the point.

The Eagles were lucky they had Jeff Garcia in 2006. The Redskins were lucky they had Todd Collins in 2007 (as weird as it is in hindsight). IIRC, Charlie Batch has won some meaningful games in his Steelers career. I think Brad Johnson nearly got the Vikings into the playoffs back in the day. Billy Volek won the Chargers a playoff game. Again, not advocating getting a backup QB at the expense of another area of your team, but it is absolutely logical to want a good backup QB. Especially when your team is going to be fighting for a playoff spot.
Again... Jason Campbell...
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because that happens EVERY season, or whenever a backup starts. Oh, them being HOFers has nothing to do with it.

Backup qbs are worthless. when have ACTUAL backup qbs come in and won meaningful games. They're backups because they cannot start in this league and win.
Or sometimes they are just backups because there is a starter in front of them that has a good reputation. Not all backup quarterbacks are backups for a reason. A lot of them just haven't had the chance to showcase what they can do because there has always been an established starter in front of them who wasn't a problem. Brady fits that mold pretty well. He wasn't a backup because of a checkered past. He was a backup because he was young, and Drew Bledsone was in front of him. Same with Tony Romo years later. It's really hard to get an opportunity in this league as a starting quarterback unless you are a high draft pick or someone in front of you stinks/gets hurt.
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Or sometimes they are just backups because there is a starter in front of them that has a good reputation. Not all backup quarterbacks are backups for a reason. A lot of them just haven't had the chance to showcase what they can do because there has always been an established starter in front of them who wasn't a problem. Brady fits that mold pretty well. He wasn't a backup because of a checkered past. He was a backup because he was young, and Drew Bledsone was in front of him. Same with Tony Romo years later. It's really hard to get an opportunity in this league as a starting quarterback unless you are a high draft pick or someone in front of you stinks/gets hurt.
Rich Gannon in Kansas City...
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What about him?
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We brought Fitz in as a backup......and then we paid him...A lot.....
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What about him?
He fits your first sentence in that post.

I'm not very clear right now. I'm just waiting for the A's to beat the Angels in 16 innings.
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Jeff Hostetler did it for the 1990 Giants. So it can work.
Doug Williams did as well in 1987 for the Redskins. And Plunkett with the Riaders in 1981. Not to mention Kurt Warner and Tom Brady.

And no, I'm not suggesting that Tebow is the kind of backup QB that would be likely to do that. But there are a few that could carry a team all the way. Matt Hasselbeck could do it with the right team.

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Tebow would not be a good backup QB. Ideally, a backup is a talented young QB with starter potential.
Or a very intelligent guy who functions as part of the staff, like another QB coach

Neither of which describes Tebow.
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Too bad Tebow doesn't try switching positions.
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If we lost Rodgers early in a season, I'd demand Tebow be brought in to ensure we get Clowney. I don't even care if he isn't an ideal fit. Any team with a good QB who goes down early would be stupid not to tank for him.
Clearly you forget that Tebow just wins games. He'd take us to the playoffs and we'd trade Aaron Rodgers.
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Too bad Tebow doesn't try switching positions.
It won't happen sadly I dunno why either clearly no one is interested in him at QB . He's just too stubern not to switch.
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No offense, but this isn't remotely logical. It is preferable to have a good backup QB. If Aaron Rodgers misses 2 games, the Packers might go 8-8 instead of 10-6. That right there is the point.

The Eagles were lucky they had Jeff Garcia in 2006. The Redskins were lucky they had Todd Collins in 2007 (as weird as it is in hindsight). IIRC, Charlie Batch has won some meaningful games in his Steelers career. I think Brad Johnson nearly got the Vikings into the playoffs back in the day. Billy Volek won the Chargers a playoff game. Again, not advocating getting a backup QB at the expense of another area of your team, but it is absolutely logical to want a good backup QB. Especially when your team is going to be fighting for a playoff spot.
So if we pay for a quality back up qb, Rodgers goes down for 2 games, the Packers will still lose those 2 games( going 8-8 instead of 10-6.) Is that what you just said?

Where is this logic coming from that a back up qb could win 2 out of 4 games(or 1-2 wins in 2 starts)? These guys struggle to win, or do well enough to win, 2-4 games in a 16 games schedule. Hell, being able to win 2 out of 4 is starting material for most teams in the NFL.
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So if we pay for a quality back up qb, Rodgers goes down for 2 games, the Packers will still lose those 2 games( going 8-8 instead of 10-6.) Is that what you just said?

Where is this logic coming from that a back up qb could win 2 out of 4 games(or 1-2 wins in 2 starts)? These guys struggle to win, or do well enough to win, 2-4 games in a 16 games schedule. Hell, being able to win 2 out of 4 is starting material for most teams in the NFL.
You're telling me that if money weren't an issue, you don't see a big difference between using Graham Harrell and say, Ryan Fitzpatrick? Fitzpatrick could easily go 2-2 with your roster. Obviously he might not, but on the other hand, Harrell would almost certainly go 0-4. There's an enormous difference in quality. Whether it's actually worth spending resources on a backup QB for that hypothetical situation is a bit of a different discussion. But having a solid backup is clearly better than the alternative.
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Too bad Tebow doesn't try switching positions.

Idk, he's really not THAT athletic. There are plenty of H/W/S athletes that have no real position, that you can grab up if you want to develop H-backs and backup fullbacks.
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He has no feel or vision to run the ball.

Small hands can't catch.

Got worn down on ST last year, so they took him off.

Big heart, not much else.

I don't think we have or will ever see again, one player given so much opportunity and fan fare, that offers nothing and hasn't done much. Actually I'll give it to him, beating the Steelers in the playoffs.
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Idk, he's really not THAT athletic. There are plenty of H/W/S athletes that have no real position, that you can grab up if you want to develop H-backs and backup fullbacks.
I'm not saying he would automatically thrive if he tried another position, but at this point if he wants to stay in the NFL he should try switching positions. If not, this is probably the end of the road for Tebow.
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The Chiefs traded CB Javier Arenas for FB Anthony Sherman from the Cards.

A CB for a FB.

Arenas is hot garbage, but still, that seems off.
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arenas is that bad?


when is andy reid going to trade baldwin to the steelers
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