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Old 05-03-2013, 08:43 AM    (permalink
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Tebow watch day 4. come on Jags you know wanna sign him.
Jags have said on multiple occasions that they are not interested. That was the old owner that had a hardon for him.
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Chiefs trying to lock-up Albert long-term now.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...gn=Twitter_atl

Hooray taking a RT with the first overall pick!
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Still a better pick than Geno Smith
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Still a better pick than Geno Smith
Why was Geno Smith a bad pick?
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If they lock up Albert long term, they took a RT #1 overall.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
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He was speaking in terms of first overall.
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If they lock up Albert long term, they took a RT #1 overall.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
I'm not convinced they'll sign Albert long term. I think they'd rather let him play this year, walk in free agency and get whatever compensatory draft pick compensation than sign him to a pricey long term deal.
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If they lock up Albert long term, they took a RT #1 overall.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
All three tackles picked in the top 4 will be playing RT next season.
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And that's fine, with all 3 of them playing RT, as long as that's not their long term position.

If they move to LT after this year, or next year, then that's fine. If you picked them up and they play RT for the next 4 years that's an absolute waste of a pick.
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If you assume Vick is the Eagles QB for the next 4 years, the RT protects his blind side. Not a great assumption, but for the rare lefty QB, RT is quite important...
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Sure. But Vick isn't going to be their qb unless he somehow does a 180 this year and stays healthy all season.

I think Lane was a fine pick for 2 reasons:

1. He was my favorite OT in the draft and could very well wind up being the best one.

2. You can't trust Jason Peters anymore. And he's old, he doesn't have much left in the tank.
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My assumption is that KC will either trade Albert this summer or franchise and trade him this offseason. Given the acrimony between the franchise and the player, the monetary commitment + the need to play the top pick at the premium position rules all. Even if Fisher is signed to a team-friendly contract, you picked the guy to be your franchise LT (ditto Joekel and Johnson). Put them in position to prove their worth in a reasonable time frame...
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Sure. But Vick isn't going to be their qb unless he somehow does a 180 this year and stays healthy all season.

I think Lane was a fine pick for 2 reasons:

1. He was my favorite OT in the draft and could very well wind up being the best one.

2. You can't trust Jason Peters anymore. And he's old, he doesn't have much left in the tank.
When the #4 pick came up, I was hoping for Johnson or a trade-back for extra picks and targeting either a different lineman or DLine help (Star, Jarvis, Shareef).

Can't disagree on the Peters notes. Peters, if you recall, was either a 7th rounder or UDFA who was converting from TE to tackle. Elite athleticism and a bit raw. He turned himself into a top player, but coming off the Achilles injury, he can't necessarily be trusted long term. Gotta roll the dice with him in 2013 in case he bounces back. I am pretty comfortable with the Peters-Mathis-Kelce-Herremens-Johnson OLine with Watkins as organizational depth at several positions, as needed.
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Yeah, the Eagles OL can instantly look pretty darn good again if everyone stays healthy.

The skill position players are there to be a potent offense as well. It really will come down to quarterback play.

I personally however, am not a fan of the new defense. There's no reason why you should go to an odd front. The Eagles 1 gap 43 was perfectly fine. The front 7 was very good. The secondary sucked, but that's independent of the front 7.
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I don't understand it either, but Kelly picked his staff, and his coordinator wants some sort of a "flex" odd/even front. It made no sense either because Ryans was traded to the Eagles because he didn't fit in a 3-4 already. They finally had what looked like a great fit at SAM in Kendricks, as well. They needed some additional pass rush oomph, as Cole is slowing down, and Graham cannot do it alone. Barwin is nice, but as a situational rusher.

Regardless of front, I was happy with the measured, value-driven investments the Eagles made in the secondary. The new players and few carryovers from 2012 should make this a more productive unit.
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When the #4 pick came up, I was hoping for Johnson or a trade-back for extra picks and targeting either a different lineman or DLine help (Star, Jarvis, Shareef).

Can't disagree on the Peters notes. Peters, if you recall, was either a 7th rounder or UDFA who was converting from TE to tackle. Elite athleticism and a bit raw. He turned himself into a top player, but coming off the Achilles injury, he can't necessarily be trusted long term. Gotta roll the dice with him in 2013 in case he bounces back. I am pretty comfortable with the Peters-Mathis-Kelce-Herremens-Johnson OLine with Watkins as organizational depth at several positions, as needed.
Was Danny Watkins that bad? He was already old, I figured he would at least lock up a starting spot for the duration of his rookie deal.
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I liked the Pugh pick, but can't help but notice the similarities btw him, Ebon Britton, and Danny Watkins.

Not exactly comforting to my soul, knowing that he is similar to those 2 and how those 2 panned out in the NFL.
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He was so bad last year that he couldn't regularly break the rotation on a line that lost 4 starters. Some was injury-driven, but let's face facts. The guy had tools, but he was 27 and had only 2 years of real football experience coming in. For a team that was 8-8 and had theoretical holes, taking a line prospect (as opposed to a more finished product) was a luxury they really didn't have. I wouldn't call Watkins a bust yet, but with Kelly coming in and other, more established players on the roster, I would surmise that any sort of guarantee, including a roster spot, might not be there.
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ESPN Dallas reports that free agent RT Tyson Clabo has "a lot of fans inside Valley Ranch" -- the Cowboys' practice facility.


The Cowboys have made calls to both Clabo and fellow free agent RT Eric Winston just in case RT Doug Free refuses a pay cut. Beat writer Todd Archer says there are "far fewer" fans of Winston at the Cowboys' facility. Winston is said to be seeking $3-4 million per year, but the Cowboys aren't willing to pay him that. They could, however, be willing to pay Clabo that kind of coin. Related: CowboysSource: ESPN Dallas May 3 - 12:38 PM


Whatever this means *shrug* I guess we are going to do this whole song and dance until somebody else steps in similiar to Baltimore/McKinnie.
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The Danny Watkins pick was stupid because he was an overraged prospect. NFL people really need to figure out that there's a huge difference between a 21 year old prospect and a 26 year old prospect.
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For a Guard prospect I didn't even care about the age, QB, RB, CB, WR, those types of positions for sure. But for a Guard I wouldn't flinch at taking a 26 year older if I thought he was going to be good.
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D-Wash arrested on 2 cases of aggravated assault :/
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D-Wash arrested on 2 cases of aggravated assault :/
Add that in with the 4 game suspension he already had to start next season and I would say don't count on D-Wash next year.
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