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And that's fine, with all 3 of them playing RT, as long as that's not their long term position.

If they move to LT after this year, or next year, then that's fine. If you picked them up and they play RT for the next 4 years that's an absolute waste of a pick.
Aren't you the one who has been saying that LT is overrated and isn't really more important than any other position on the OL
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How did the Daryl Washington suspension fly under the radar so much? Some argued he was one of the best defensive players in football last year.
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How did the Daryl Washington suspension fly under the radar so much? Some argued he was one of the best defensive players in football last year.
May have been the best MLB. No way was he or anyone sniffing Watt's jock.
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How did the Daryl Washington suspension fly under the radar so much? Some argued he was one of the best defensive players in football last year.
He plays for the Cardinals
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So they have this guy and Tyrann? More like the Arizona JailBirds. Amirite?
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Yeah, the Eagles OL can instantly look pretty darn good again if everyone stays healthy.

The skill position players are there to be a potent offense as well. It really will come down to quarterback play.

I personally however, am not a fan of the new defense. There's no reason why you should go to an odd front. The Eagles 1 gap 43 was perfectly fine. The front 7 was very good. The secondary sucked, but that's independent of the front 7.
They are supposedly running the same 4-3 over look that Seattle runs....but there is no way to tell what they are going to do. Chip hasn't tipped his hand to anyone.
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Regarding the OT discussion:

The 49ers drafted Anthony Davis higher than they drafted Joe Staley. Both players were left tackles in college. Davis just signed an extension through 2019 that pays him more than Staley who is signed through 2017.

Two "left tackles" starting on one team.

Well, scratch that... Alex Boone is a 6'8'' 300 Lbs. former starting left tackle for Ohio State that is now a starting right guard for the 49ers.

So... three "left tackles" starting on the same team.

Prototype left tackles.

Is Boone the tallest guard in the league? He was the tallest player on the team before they signed 6'9'' left tackle Luke Marquardt as an UDFA.

Considering the praise the 49ers offensive line has received over the last year, maybe other teams follow suit. They do say it's a copy cat league.
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Regarding the OT discussion:

The 49ers drafted Anthony Davis higher than they drafted Joe Staley. Both players were left tackles in college. Davis just signed an extension through 2019 that pays him more than Staley who is signed through 2017.

Two "left tackles" starting on one team.

Well, scratch that... Alex Boone is a 6'8'' 300 Lbs. former starting left tackle for Ohio State that is now a starting right guard for the 49ers.

So... three "left tackles" starting on the same team.

Prototype left tackles.

Is Boone the tallest guard in the league? He was the tallest player on the team before they signed 6'9'' left tackle Luke Marquardt as an UDFA.

Considering the praise the 49ers offensive line has received over the last year, maybe other teams follow suit. They do say it's a copy cat league.

So you think that both Davis and Boone would be good starting LT's in this league? Because playing LT in College doesn't make you a LT in the NFL. There are numerous examples of that being the case, because I don't think anybody is about to count Barrett Jones as a left tackle even though he had a full season starting there for Alabama.


You can't just say "well he played left tackle in college and we have him now so we'll just say he is still a left tackle". That theory is far from the truth.
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Old 05-04-2013, 10:09 AM    (permalink
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To piggy back on LL, drafting LTs in college and moving them to other positions on the OL isn't a new thing either. It's been done since the dawn of time.
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To piggy back on LL, drafting LTs in college and moving them to other positions on the OL isn't a new thing either. It's been done since the dawn of time.
How many interior linemen were playing OT in college? I'm guessing it was most of them.

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How many interior linemen were playing OT in college? I'm guessing it was most of them.
I think once we get passed round 3, most OLmen taken that succeed in the NFL were converted OTs.
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Anthony Davis would not be best suited at LT in the NFL. At all. I projected him in the draft as an OG or RT, really. RT is his best suited position
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For his first year and a half it looked like Davis couldn't play tackle at all. Still impressed he flipped the switch so quickly and has really become a good starting right tackle.
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I liked the Pugh pick, but can't help but notice the similarities btw him, Ebon Britton, and Danny Watkins.

Not exactly comforting to my soul, knowing that he is similar to those 2 and how those 2 panned out in the NFL.
I think you can stand safe, I see no similarity whatsoever in the style of play between Pugh and Britton / Watkins
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Regarding the OT discussion:

The 49ers drafted Anthony Davis higher than they drafted Joe Staley. Both players were left tackles in college. Davis just signed an extension through 2019 that pays him more than Staley who is signed through 2017.

Two "left tackles" starting on one team.

Well, scratch that... Alex Boone is a 6'8'' 300 Lbs. former starting left tackle for Ohio State that is now a starting right guard for the 49ers.

So... three "left tackles" starting on the same team.

Prototype left tackles.

Is Boone the tallest guard in the league? He was the tallest player on the team before they signed 6'9'' left tackle Luke Marquardt as an UDFA.

Considering the praise the 49ers offensive line has received over the last year, maybe other teams follow suit. They do say it's a copy cat league.
The only thing here is that they only have 1 player that can play LT in the NFL, so I don't really see how this matters
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I believe Bengals have a ton of LT on the roster if that's case...sweet.
Boling, Whit, Andre, Hawkinson, Collins...
Wooo! Left tackles for ALL!
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So you think that both Davis and Boone would be good starting LT's in this league? Because playing LT in College doesn't make you a LT in the NFL. There are numerous examples of that being the case, because I don't think anybody is about to count Barrett Jones as a left tackle even though he had a full season starting there for Alabama.


You can't just say "well he played left tackle in college and we have him now so we'll just say he is still a left tackle". That theory is far from the truth.
Yes, I think both Davis and Boone could be starting left tackles in the NFL. However, neither is going to beat out Joe Staley.

I'm not arguing that merely having experience at left tackle in college qualifies a player as an NFL caliber left tackle. My fault, I didn't make that clear in my first post. I'm sorry for the confusion.

Anthony Davis was an NFL caliber left tackle prospect coming out of college. I know that others may not agree, but he was projected there. Some thought he was the best left tackle prospect, others felt he was more suited to right tackle. I get that and won't argue the point. Having seen his growth over the last few years, I personally believe that he could start at left tackle. I don't think he has reached his full potential yet, either.

Alex Boone was the swing tackle before his conversion to guard. I have seen him play left tackle in the NFL and he is very capable of starting at that position. Again, I understand that many college players are converted to guard from tackle because they are a more natural fit there in the NFL. This is not the case with Alex Boone, however. He only just started playing guard this last season because the 49ers had a need at the position and Jim Harbaugh put him there to compete because he wanted to get the best players on the field. Boone was still the primary back-up at both tackle spots. He is not a player that projects to guard in the NFL. As I said, he is a prototype left tackle with his height, length, and athleticism. How many 6'8'' tackles are successfully converted to guard?

I know, I know... I'm just being a "homer" 49er fan. People will mock my opinion because it sounds absurd and there has been a lot of talk from other 49ers fans about how great certain players are. I'm not actually talking them up that much, though. I'm not saying that they would be great left tackles, just that they are both capable of holding down a starting job there.

That wasn't really the point of this discussion, though. I derailed it by bringing up Alex Boone because I thought it was an amusing anecdote. The point I was making is that the 49ers offensive line has received a lot of praise over the last year and they just signed Davis to an extension that pays him more than their starting left tackle. People were saying that teams would not invest heavily in "left tackle" quality players to play right tackle. I was giving an example for precedent and also pointing out that teams will change if they see successful precedent.

My guess is that in the near future we will see left tackle salaries decrease and right tackle salaries increase as teams attempt to acquire more balanced players for each position to keep up with defenses that are putting more emphasis on pass rush from both sides due to the increased emphasis on the passing game in the NFL. /run on sentence

I hope that makes more sense and people won't make fun of me.

Ok, I take it back... make fun of me if you enjoy it. Just as long as everyone is happy.
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Anthony Davis was not considered to be a solid LT prospect by ANYONE coming out of OSU.
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I think you mean Alex Boone.
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I think you mean Alex Boone.
I remember Davis being labeled a RT out of college. Even by scotty.
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I think you mean Alex Boone.
Holy crap... This is what happens when I faceroll the keyboard after a long day of work...

Split that sentence up into 2 sentences.

Replace Anthony Davis with Alex Boone. And then in duplicate sentence replace OSU with Rutgers.

I'm an idiot.
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Anthony Davis was not considered to be a solid LT prospect by ANYONE coming out of OSU.
Probably because Davis didn't attend OSU.
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Probably because Davis didn't attend OSU.
Please see my next post.

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And at the same time, the Alex Boone that was a stud at RG for the 49ers in 2012 is barely recognizable as the same Alex Boone that threw his potential away at Ohio State. Boone was an overweight drunk coming out of OSU. Now he is lean, athletic, and clean. He's actually a rather tremendous success story, to be honest.
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And at the same time, the Alex Boone that was a stud at RG for the 49ers in 2012 is barely recognizable as the same Alex Boone that threw his potential away at Ohio State. Boone was an overweight drunk coming out of OSU. Now he is lean, athletic, and clean. He's actually a rather tremendous success story, to be honest.
Yeah Boone has really turned his life around. I didn't think he would do it. We get so many players just talking about how they have to get their act straight and whatever, and it seems a lot of them fail to do so and just play the PR game until whatever trouble they get in blows over. But Boone seems to have worked really hard to flip the script. I thought it was really weird when Harbaugh decided to use him as guard because of his height, but it's worked out fine.
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