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Old 05-06-2013, 07:50 PM    (permalink
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You don't go from average to all star game. The effects of steroids are not that big of a deal.
I just don't see a huge jump from average to All Star game. Hell if Melky got lucky he could get to an All Star game with out steroids. Baseball stat factors in a lot more than the players ability. Luck alone could turn Melky into an All Star for a season.

Hell you can hit .270 but was in a position to drive in more runs you could make the all star game.
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In reality no one has any clue as to what steroids actually do to help a player. It's very possible that it even has a placebo effect on them where they just feel mentally more confident taking them. I'm soooooooo suck of the steroid talk.
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I love when people start rambling off nonsense about steroids.
You have to have some talent.

If I start roiding tomorrow - In a year, I won't be able to hit a 95MPH fastball and get a spring training invite obviously. Not when I didn't have the talent to be in the MLB to begin with.

If you don't think it improves an already talented enough player that was a MLB Starter, and make him better. Then your delusional.

I've read about roids. If you want, like I said, enlighten me.
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It does if you have talent.

LIKE I SAID. He was a MLB Starter. He had some solid moments with the Yanks. He has SOME talent.


Barry Bonds went from HOF to people saying he was the best hitter ever at one point. Does that not count??
Probably because he was far and away the best player of the 90s, and had a very nice period when they juiced the **** out of the ball to increase power post strike. Here...

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Probably because he was far and away the best player of the 90s, and had a very nice period when they juiced the **** out of the ball to increase power post strike. Here...

http://steroids-and-baseball.com/actual-effects.shtml
Ok and I know what you are trying to say.


That being said, I said he was HOF pre-steroids. He already had won an MVP, stole all those bases etc. But you are me telling the roids did not help him get to another level where people were saying he is the best hitter ever?? He was leveling HR records in a pitchers park.
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In reality no one has any clue as to what steroids actually do to help a player. It's very possible that it even has a placebo effect on them where they just feel mentally more confident taking them. I'm soooooooo suck of the steroid talk.
You are 100% correct, we don't know. I am sure it depends on what you take, what you do with it and about 100 other variables.

All I was trying to say is I doubt that steroids transform Melky's game that much.
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Ok and I know what you are trying to say.


That being said, I said he was HOF pre-steroids. He already had won an MVP, stole all those bases etc. But you are me telling the roids did not help him get to another level where people were saying he is the best hitter ever?? He was leveling HR records in a pitchers park.
No, I don't. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it.
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Ok-I'll give one more example.

If Manny had not gotten caught with roids twice, and was taking them with no issues. Would he still be in the MLB right now or would father time have caught up with him anyways and he would still be over in Korea like he is now?
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FWIW, AT&T Park plays pretty evenly.
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Ok-I'll give one more example.

If Manny had not gotten caught with roids twice, and was taking them with no issues. Would he still be in the MLB right now or would father time have caught up with him anyways and he would still be over in Korea like he is now?
He didn't age gracefully, **** happens.
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Anyone who thinks steroids made Melky have the year he had is insane. It was an absurd .379 BABIP that made him hit .346, not steroids. To further support this fact, Melky has a career .309 BABIP, and his ISO, LD% and other batted ball statistics were about in line with his career norms.

Argue steroid effects all you want, but they had nothing to do with Melky's numbers last year. That was mostly luck.
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"I wasn't going to lose to Miami, no matter what," Freeman said. "It means a lot to go out there and beat them. Every time I get a chance, I want to destroy them."
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Damn I wanted the Dodgers to keep Webster. I'm curious to see how he does.
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What do you know about the SP you just called up, Allen Webster?
Considered top pitching prospect for the Sox by many. Doesn't have a lot of time under his belt can can be erratic but he pitched pretty well in his spot start this season.
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That comebacker J.A. Happ took off the side of his face was a terrible thing
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