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Old 05-07-2013, 02:41 PM    (permalink
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I admit it. Noah is 10X better than Chandler.

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And yes, I still am and will always be pissed about that trade.
You know... after all those years of Dwight who could only roll in... It's amazing what a difference you'll see in the effectiveness of the P'nR when you have a Center who can roll out (and actually hit a midrange shot) or roll in.

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Noah, though with ugly form, has developed a consistent jump shot.

But Chandler is every bit the hustler that Noah is and will go after every shot no matter what.

The difference is the shot.
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I'd say Noah is better than Chandler in pretty much every aspect. I guess Chandler is better at rolling to the basket, but that's about it. Well Chandler wins in the looks department, but that's not saying much really.
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I think they are equal on defense. Both are relentless.
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Noah, though with ugly form, has developed a consistent jump shot.

But Chandler is every bit the hustler that Noah is and will go after every shot no matter what.

The difference is the shot.
Nope. The difference is that Noah is a great passer. He also can handle the ball amazingly well for a big. Chandler is better and rolling on the pick and cutting hard to the basket. Noah can do it but Chandler is the best in the game at it.

My love for Noah knows no bounds. Glad you saw the light BBD.
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Equal on defense, but Noah is so much better on offense. It's not even close. Even though he can't provide any scoring, he knows how to space the floor, set screens, hit an open shot, get putbacks, pass to an open spot. He's just so much better on offense.

Chandler has no hands at all, has no shot at all. Unless it's an ally oop he's pretty much useless on offense. He even struggles with put backs and his hands are awful so when we dribble penetrate and kick it to him underneath he loses the ball half the time.
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Jalen Rose used to pay Tyson 100 dollars every game that he score 10+ points in Chicago lol
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Tyson got overrated the moment he won a ring in Dallas. Noah is way better. Tyson's only skill is length.
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Chandler was so attrocious in Chicago except for maybe his last year there. Him and McCurry are textbook examples of guys that would have benefitted playing a couple years in college, but I will never fault guys for getting paid large amounts of money to learn on the job.

Oh McCurry, you had a heart condition but refused to be checked out/have clauses put in a new contract for it (one of which would have had the Bulls paying you for life if it wasn't a pre-existing condition) and then the Pax turned you into Thabo Sefolosha, Omer Asik, Lamarcus Aldridge (technically), and Joakim Noah.
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I would say Noah beats Tyson in defense at this point. Tyson has more length, but Noah actually blocks more shots, is better in PnR, is a more versatile defender, and has been incredible in help situations.
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For someone who is considered a shot blocker, he never really blocked a bunch of shots. More like a great Shot-Alterer? Which is not a bad thing I guess.
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Definitely a good thing.
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ya its just like QB pressure vs actual sacks doesn't actually tell the whole story from a stat perspective
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Equal on defense, but Noah is so much better on offense. It's not even close. Even though he can't provide any scoring, he knows how to space the floor, set screens, hit an open shot, get putbacks, pass to an open spot. He's just so much better on offense.

Chandler has no hands at all, has no shot at all. Unless it's an ally oop he's pretty much useless on offense. He even struggles with put backs and his hands are awful so when we dribble penetrate and kick it to him underneath he loses the ball half the time.
His handles are so awful that he rarely turns the ball over. He's so bad on offense that he's one of the most efficient players in history. Sure he's not a guy that can take 25 shots a game probably, but you're acting like he's DeSagana Diop. And Noah isn't better on offense either, as much as I like the guy.
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How is snowflake so consistently wrong about everything? Noah is a lot better than Chandler on offense, even though Tyson is incredibly efficient in his role. Jo's handle, passing and shot are simple too far superior to Tyson's. Love both of them and either one should've made the allstar game over Hibbert, because for that guy, but Joa's brings a lot more to the table offensively.
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How is snowflake so consistently wrong about everything? Noah is a lot better than Chandler on offense, even though Tyson is incredibly efficient in his role. Jo's handle, passing and shot are simple too far superior to Tyson's. Love both of them and either one should've made the allstar game over Hibbert, because for that guy, but Joa's brings a lot more to the table offensively.
Noah's a far superior passer and that was never disputed. He's just not nearly as good of a finisher as Chandler, which equalizes them a lot more than people seem to think.
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The Knicks floor spacing also makes it a lot easier to finish inside.

And Chandler literally never shoots outside of 5 feet. Like literally ever. He averaged .8 shots per game outside of 3 feet this year, that tends to help your FG%.
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It's easy to be efficient when the majority of your points are lob dunks. I'm always surprised that he's pretty solid at the line though.
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The Knicks floor spacing also makes it a lot easier to finish inside.

And Chandler literally never shoots outside of 5 feet. Like literally ever. He averaged .8 shots per game outside of 3 feet this year, that tends to help your FG%.
He's been a good finisher his entire career, and he doesn't like to force shots. Sounds good to me.
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He's been a good finisher his entire career, and he doesn't like to force shots. Sounds good to me.
I never said he wasn't a good finisher.

I just don't know why you seem to think that being limited offensively to the point where you don't shoot outside of 3 feet is a positive thing.
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I never said he wasn't a good finisher.

I just don't know why you seem to think that being limited offensively to the point where you don't shoot outside of 3 feet is a positive thing.
Because if Josh Smith took this tactic, he would be a great player instead of very average.
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Because if Josh Smith took this tactic, he would be a great player instead of very average.
He would be better if he took it inside more often, not if he refused to shoot outside of 3 feet ever. But more importantly I don't know why we're talking about Josh Smith now.

The point is that Chandler is really good at what he does, but that's only one thing out of every facet of offensive play. The first part is good, there is no argument for the second part being good.
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Mavericks wouldn't have won a ring without Chandler, even if Dirk did put in a cheat code in those playoffs.
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He would be better if he took it inside more often, not if he refused to shoot outside of 3 feet ever. But more importantly I don't know why we're talking about Josh Smith now.

The point is that Chandler is really good at what he does, but that's only one thing out of every facet of offensive play. The first part is good, there is no argument for the second part being good.
Because taking the most efficient shots garners you more success. There really isn't a reason to take shots outside of 3 feet to 20 feet, it's stupid and they aren't any different from taking shots inside. There's a reason a Houston team with Chandler Parsons as the second best offensive player was the number 2 offensive team in basketball.
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