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Old 05-03-2013, 06:43 PM    (permalink
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I was watching the coaches film of the Cornell-Princeton game this morning and am fully convinced now that Jeff Mathews is the number one senior quarterback heading into the season.

Mathews has an absolute cannon and his natural accuracy is through the roof. Certainly has to refine some things (doesn't drop back straight, doesn't make his first few steps in his drop big enough and isn't quick to set-up, tends to stand and throw with a narrow base), but the tools are all there. I watched him make multiple throws where I was just wowed by the combination of arm strength and accuracy. Dropping passes in the bucket with pressure in his face and/or placing it in spots where only his receiver could have a chance and you think would only be possible in a video game.

Jeff Mathews is for real. I was at the Cornell Pro Day and had NFL scouts coming up to me asking me which one in the room was Mathews (the entire Big Red team showed up). They can't talk to him right now, but they wanted to size him up and get a look at him. The NFL is obviously very intrigued by him.
Mathews is the guy I want to get more footage on. I was intrigued from what I've seen, but I need to see more to get a better idea of what he's got.
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Mathews is the guy I want to get more footage on. I was intrigued from what I've seen, but I need to see more to get a better idea of what he's got.
Yea I gotta check this guy out. For an Ivy Leaguer to be getting this type of chatter/hype to be a high round draft pick at QB - he must be viewed as a pretty special talent.
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Right now to me it's Teddy B, and it's not even close. And I like Manziel a lot, reminds me of a Tony Romo, good zip on his passes and just makes plays. Looking at the seniors I haven't watched everything yet but right now my top guy would be Murray, but still a lot of games to watch before I'm gonna put a list together. Tajh is a good prospect, sort of lacks some velocity on his intermediate routes which turns me off a bit.
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Bryn Renner is really being underrated, he could be the best prospect in the ACC.
He's kind of a poor man's Sam Bradford. Since Bradford hasnt done much of note in the league, I don't know what that means for Renner's stock.

I hope all the people who like Boyd actually watch him this year.
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Not nearly enough lists in this thread.
My initial rank and grade.


1. Marcus Mariota** (1) - all about the upside
2. Teddy Bridgewater* (1) - Sam Bradfordesque
3. Tajh Boyd (1) - first rounder thanks to Russell Wilson
4. Jon Manziel** (1-2) - wildcard
5. Stephen Morris (2-3) - sleeper
6. Brett Hundley** (2-3)
7. David Fales (2-3)
8. Logan Thomas (3-4)
9. Devin Gardner (2-4)
10. Zach Mettenberger (5-6)
11. Braxton Miller* (5-6)

12. Jeff Matthews (4-5)
13. AJ. McCarron (6-7)
14. Aaron Murray (7-FA)
15. Bryn Renner (FA)
16. Derek Carr (7-FA)
17. James Franklin (6-7)
18. Jeff Driskel (7-FA)
19. Tyler Russell (FA)
20. Brandon Key (FA)
21. Jordan Lynch (6-7)
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Holt_Bruce is the only one who has mentioned him, but if he declares, UCF QB Blake Bortles will be in the first round mix. 6'3 220 with 4.7ish speed and a decent arm. The only time most people have seen him is dominating Ball State in the Beef O'Brady's Bowl. UCF will have more televised games (including one against Bridgewater) so I expect him to be a fast riser after people actually hear about him.
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Unless somebody has a fabulous last season, this crop may be worse than this year's.

No way man. This year was bad, and the GMs felt even worse about it than most of us did.
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I know people have hopped off the Logan Thomas train... Which is good because I fully expect to be its conductor.
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Be prepared to go off the tracks at any moment then.
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That could easily be the case but I am not band wagoner and I have been saying for the last two years that he has the potential to be the #1 pick if he can put it all together.
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That could easily be the case but I am not band wagoner and I have been saying for the last two years that he has the potential to be the #1 pick if he can put it all together.
What, if anything, did he do in 2012 to suggest he should be drafted, much less the #1 pick?
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What, if anything, did he do in 2012 to suggest he should be drafted, much less the #1 pick?
Very little... which is why everyone else hopped off the band wagon.
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I just watched Matthews vs. Yale.

I don't see it. Sloppy mechanics. Hops in the pocket. Slow feet. Statue. Doesn't have anywhere near pro athleticism. He's smart though. Accurate at that level.

But this is a guy who had 18 TDs to 11 picks last year in the Ivy league on 62%...

I get that we're looking for the next Flacco but he doesn't strike me as anywhere near as gifted as Flacco.

Matthews looks like a poor man's Mallett - and he's not playing against SEC defenses.

Maybe I saw a bad tape? I don't know.
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I just watched Matthews vs. Yale.

I don't see it. Sloppy mechanics. Hops in the pocket. Slow feet. Statue. Doesn't have anywhere near pro athleticism. He's smart though. Accurate at that level.

But this is a guy who had 18 TDs to 11 picks last year in the Ivy league on 62%...

I get that we're looking for the next Flacco but he doesn't strike me as anywhere near as gifted as Flacco.

Matthews looks like a poor man's Mallett - and he's not playing against SEC defenses.

Maybe I saw a bad tape? I don't know.
He's a QB, he doesn't need "pro athleticism", whatever that is. Does Tom Brady have "pro athleticism"?

He reminds me a lot of Sam Bradford, which can either be good or bad.
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I just watched Matthews vs. Yale.

I don't see it. Sloppy mechanics. Hops in the pocket. Slow feet. Statue. Doesn't have anywhere near pro athleticism. He's smart though. Accurate at that level.

But this is a guy who had 18 TDs to 11 picks last year in the Ivy league on 62%...

I get that we're looking for the next Flacco but he doesn't strike me as anywhere near as gifted as Flacco.

Matthews looks like a poor man's Mallett - and he's not playing against SEC defenses.

Maybe I saw a bad tape? I don't know.
Flacco's TD-INT during his Junior season: 18-10

Are you even watching him throw the ball? You only talk about his athleticism, which no, isn't a strength, but is on the same level as a Sam Bradford or Joe Flacco, and stats. His arm strength, accuracy, and ball placement are simply incredible. Simply put, I haven't seen any other quarterback in this class make the throws Mathews makes. I watched the same Yale game (except the coaches tape) and I thought he looked great. Looked amazing against Princeton.

Also, it's Mathews...
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Yes. I'm watching him throw the ball. lol. We'll see. His mechanics aren't great and I don't see much pocket presence. That's vital. I'm sure he's got a gun even though I didn't see the tightest spirals in the world (I liked his touch though). I guess I need to watch the Princeton tape.

Flacco was also a big-time recruit of Wandstedt and had a huge Senior year...
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The kid looks good throwing the football. Prototypical pocket style passer that makes all the throws, and makes 'em look easy. Athleticism or lack thereof isn't really a big deal. I'll take unathletic pocket style passers anyday over athletic beasts that can't hit the broad side of a barn.

Then you look at the fact that he's been sacked 105 times in 3 years. Seriously? There's something wrong there.
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The kid looks good throwing the football. Prototypical pocket style passer that makes all the throws, and makes 'em look easy. Athleticism or lack thereof isn't really a big deal. I'll take unathletic pocket style passers anyday over athletic beasts that can't hit the broad side of a barn.

Then you look at the fact that he's been sacked 105 times in 3 years. Seriously? There's something wrong there.
There's a pre-req athleticism you need... not talking speed but having the quick-twitch muscles to move within the pocket - it's absolutely important. It's footwork - his is not great on the one tape. Correctable, sure.

In the tape I saw he got chased down and brought down by some tiny "DE." If he has shaky mobility in the pocket and looks at a disadvantage athletically against freaking Yale, I don't know what he'd look like against the best athletes in the world draped all over him.

You're right, athleticism isn't as important as accuracy or anticipation, but being able to move in the pocket is essential and if a guy struggles with that in college it's a legitimate prospect criticism.

Maybe I should watch another tape.

But Flacco went 25/5 in his Senior year. So yes, Flacco's JUNIOR year was on par with this kid's. But this kid didn't take a huge leap yet like Flacco did. Maybe he will.

He looks like Mallett a little - I do see his arm and touch in that Yale game.

But again, it's Yale. Lol. Send me some more tape..
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Yes. I'm watching him throw the ball. lol. We'll see. His mechanics aren't great and I don't see much pocket presence. That's vital. I'm sure he's got a gun even though I didn't see the tightest spirals in the world (I liked his touch though). I guess I need to watch the Princeton tape.

Flacco was also a big-time recruit of Wandstedt and had a huge Senior year...
Are you just talking out of your a$s now? Flacco was a 3-star recruit and barely top 50 at his position. That's your definition of big time? Guy didn't even beat out Tyler Palko.

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Then you look at the fact that he's been sacked 105 times in 3 years. Seriously? There's something wrong there.
The offensive line isn't good, and the running game doesn't help. Even Tretter, the only capable one on the line, got blown up at times.
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Mathews also had 25 TD's to 11 INT's with a 67.9% as a sophomore. So to say he hasn't had a big season before just isn't true
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Are you just talking out of your a$s now? Flacco was a 3-star recruit and barely top 50 at his position. That's your definition of big time? Guy didn't even beat out Tyler Palko.

So what does that mean now? The NFL coach wanted him in his program, exactly what happened is irrelevant after he came through and ended up 17th overall...

I was at the Pitt Spring game that year actually.

I don't think it's fair to compare him to a guy who just won a Super Bowl, went 17th overall, and had a great sr. year - just because the two have similar jr. stats.
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So what does that mean now? The NFL coach wanted him in his program, exactly what happened is irrelevant after he came through and ended up 17th overall...

I was at the Pitt Spring game that year actually.

I don't think it's fair to compare him to a guy who just won a Super Bowl, went 17th overall, and had a great sr. year - just because the two have similar jr. stats.
Do you have selective reading?

For one, I never even compared his game to Flacco. You were trying to bash the guy for his stats (box score scouting is the way to go) and I was simply pointing out that's a blind way to go about things.

And again, I was pointing out Flacco didn't beat out Palko because you tried to call him a big time recruit. Oh my, a former NFL coach wanted him in his program?! He must be a Hall of Famer then!!! I guess Matt Barkley is a lock for rookie of the year because Pete Carroll brought him in, right?
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I looked at his box score after I watched the Yale cutup and I was expecting a guy from Cornell who you all were talking about having first-round talent to have monster numbers. I don't think that's unreasonable at all...

Getting real chippy. Like I said, we'll see. It's not so much box score scouting as a fact that if he doesn't perform at a level that will net him better stats than that in a lower conference, he's not going to be anywhere near the top of this sr. class draft-wise. I think that's pretty obvious.
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I looked at his box score after I watched the Yale cutup and I was expecting a guy from Cornell who you all were talking about having first-round talent to have monster numbers. I don't think that's unreasonable at all...

Getting real chippy. Like I said, we'll see. It's not so much box score scouting as a fact that if he doesn't perform at a level that will net him better stats than that in a lower conference, he's not going to be anywhere near the top of this sr. class draft-wise. I think that's pretty obvious.
It's obvious you're basing things off stats. Everybody, golf clap.
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I don't know why you're taking it so personal. I'm basing my rough eval of one game on my eval of that game.

And then I commented on his stats.

I've consistently said maybe I watched the wrong tape... shrug. I think you made a good point about his So. year. I think it's fair to have reservations about the guy, though, all things considered.
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