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Old 05-15-2013, 01:46 PM    (permalink
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Oakland is a possiblity at QB, Flynn/Pryor/Wilson haven't done anything in the NFL.
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Dammit.


The Bucs can't even win a "worst of" debate.




Have any of you checked out our TE's? Luke Stocker, Tom Crabtree (the big signing from the Packers )and Evan Landi (UDFA). Then Nate Byham, Zach Miller and Danny Noble are TE's going to camp. And no, it isn't THAT Zach Miller. He's the one that was in Jacksonville, the one you've never heard of, and have had no reason to know.



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For the Bills, I'd say our guard position is pretty bad (Kraig Urbik, Colin Brown, Keith Williams, Zack Chibane, Chris Scott, Sam Young). Yeah, that's ugly. I'd also argue that our TE position is the worst. Chandler could be out a while, and that leaves us with Chris Gragg, Lee Smith, Mike Caussin, and Mickey Shuler. Ugh.

I honestly would consider putting CB in the mix, but we have all young talent there. McKelvin is our oldest CB at 27. In terms of experience, it is as follows:

Leodis McKelvin - 5 years experience
Crezdon Butler - 3 years experience
Justin Rogers - 2 years experience
TJ Heath - 2 years experience
Ron Brooks - 1 year experience
Stephon Gilmore - 1 year experience
Duke Williams - Rookie
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How is Crezdon Butler? I really thought we were gonna keep him
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Dammit.


The Bucs can't even win a "worst of" debate.




Have any of you checked out our TE's? Luke Stocker, Tom Crabtree (the big signing from the Packers )and Evan Landi (UDFA). Then Nate Byham, Zach Miller and Danny Noble are TE's going to camp. And no, it isn't THAT Zach Miller. He's the one that was in Jacksonville, the one you've never heard of, and have had no reason to know.



I can't believe I just made that argument.
Please, you can't even crack the top 3. Luke Stocker was a solid prospect, which is more than the Raiders, Browns and Jets have.
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How is Crezdon Butler? I really thought we were gonna keep him
I know after he left Pittsburgh he went to Arizona, Washington, back to Arizona, then here to Buffalo. According to his statline, he appeared in 5 games for the Bills last season, registering 3 tackles and 1 forced fumble. If my memory serves me correctly, he played predominantly on special teams and only had a few snaps as a CB when guys went down with injuries during the games. Unless he has a great set of practices at OTAs and and training camp, I don't think he'll make the team.
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Lol at the Raiders being on the list 4 times.

I think the Browns have worse receivers though. I kinda like Denarius Moore.
what? Josh Gordon is a stud, Davone Bess is one of the better slot guys in the league, and Greg little started playing really well late last season after he overcame his dropsies. Very talented young WR group there. I could easily name 5 worse WR corps.
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what? Josh Gordon is a stud, Davone Bess is one of the better slot guys in the league, and Greg little started playing really well late last season after he overcame his dropsies. Very talented young WR group there. I could easily name 5 worse WR corps.
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You can argue New England, St.Louis, Oakland, Jacksonville, Pittsburgh, San Diego, Baltimore, and Buffalo. Some of those certainly.
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saints have to get the top spot for OT, Charles Brown and Zach Strief are the projected starters.

Another spot where the saints might come close is safety with jenkins and harper starting with isa adbul quddus as the first guy in, same for OLB with Victor Butler and Martez Wilson being the most likely starters with Junior Galette being the first guy in.

that being said OT is definately the worst of the three
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saints have to get the top spot for OT, Charles Brown and Zach Strief are the projected starters.

Another spot where the saints might come close is safety with jenkins and harper starting with isa adbul quddus as the first guy in, same for OLB with Victor Butler and Martez Wilson being the most likely starters with Junior Galette being the first guy in.

that being said OT is definately the worst of the three
You guys just drafted Kenny Vaccaro though...and not two years ago Malcolm Jenkins was playing at a very very high level before last year's abortion of a performance by the entire Saints defense. I think those two plus Harper can be a top combo.
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Josh Gordon is a stud.

Patriots
Jaguars
Chargers
Raiders
Ravens

Probably a few others that are arguable.

And lot of teams that i'd take after the Browns, but that's mainly because of age. The Colts, for example.
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You can argue New England, St.Louis, Oakland, Jacksonville, Pittsburgh, San Diego, Baltimore, and Buffalo. Some of those certainly.
I'd put us in that category for the time being, but only because of the lack of experience. We have a lot of talent there.

Stevie Johnson - 5 years experience
Robert Woods - Rookie
Marquise Goodwin - Rookie
Da'Rick Rogers - Rookie
TJ Graham - 1 year experience
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You guys just drafted Kenny Vaccaro though...and not two years ago Malcolm Jenkins was playing at a very very high level before last year's abortion of a performance by the entire Saints defense. I think those two plus Harper can be a top combo.
I know vaccaro wont get cut being a first rounder and all but thats fully the calibre player i expect him to become
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You can argue New England, St.Louis, Oakland, Jacksonville, Pittsburgh, San Diego, Baltimore, and Buffalo. Some of those certainly.
I guess it just depends on criteria you are using really.

I wouldn't put a list with Justin Blackmon and Cecil Shorts down that low though.

Again, I wasn't saying I disagreed. I think you could flip it several ways and not be wrong with the team you put there, same can be said with many of these positions.
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Josh Gordon is a stud? Y'all throw that word around too loosely.

And Greg Little blows. Davone Bess is fine in that he won't **** anything up and doesn't drop passes, but he's nothing special.

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Josh Gordon is a stud? Y'all throw that word around too loosely.

And Greg Little blows.
He's a future stud.

Why does Greg Little blow?

And that still doesn't explain why the Raiders receivers are better. Moore is good but then you have Jacoby Ford, who cant even stay healthy, Rod Streeter and Juron Criner...You'd take them over Gordon, Little, Bess, Nelson and Benjamin? Seriously?
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I don't know if they are bottom five, but other teams with subpar receivers are Washington, Carolina, and the Jets. But I think the worst receivers are either San Diego or St. Louis.
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Worst WRs clearly are the Patriots imo. They have the best TEs in the league, but the only WR they have who is worthy of making the roster for sure are some mid round rookies and Amendola, who is a slot #2/#3 guy.
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have you even watched either of them play, or did you just read what other people said about them
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Worst WRs clearly are the Patriots imo. They have the best TEs in the league, but the only WR they have who is worthy of making the roster for sure are some mid round rookies and Amendola, who is a slot #2/#3 guy.
Danny Amendola is better than anyone on the Rams roster so this is automatically untrue.
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have you even watched either of them play, or did you just read what other people said about them
God this is the most tired, lazy argument ever. Yes I've watched them.

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I don't know if they are bottom five, but other teams with subpar receivers are Washington, Carolina, and the Jets. But I think the worst receivers are either San Diego or St. Louis.
I eliminated the Panthers from my list for Steve Smith alone, he's better than a lot have on their team. The rest sucks but at least he's proven. Same with Jets, they have Holmes and Hill who showed promise at times last season. The Redskins may lack that #1, but Pierre Garcon played well last season when healthy and they have some solid proven contributors , so thats why I left them off my list as well
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I wouldn't call Gordon a stud just yet, but he definitely has playmaking ability. He showed that more than once as the season went on that he can get to the end zone at any moment in the game. He has to become more consistent before you can call him a stud though.

Apparently, Little fixed his drop problems in the 2nd half of the season but overall he has been very disappointing. He was supposed to have #1 WR talent and that hasn't really shown yet.
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I'd put us in that category for the time being, but only because of the lack of experience. We have a lot of talent there.

Stevie Johnson - 5 years experience
Robert Woods - Rookie
Marquise Goodwin - Rookie
Da'Rick Rogers - Rookie
TJ Graham - 1 year experience
Marcus Easley - 2 years experience
Is it weird that I still think Easley is ready to break out at any moment?

These rose colored glasses throw up some serious smokescreens.
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