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Old 06-15-2013, 08:37 PM    (permalink
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As I was reminded on PFT today, the Pats traded a first for BB. The Jets got a pro bowl player with the pick, Shaun Ellis. NE still got the far better end of the deal.

Same with the Bucs and Gruden.
The Jets also gave up picks for Herm Edwards.
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One guy is a vag and the other can't even spell offense. Not so much dynamite, more of a bang snaps combination.
How is Monroe a vag? Hasn't he beaten up Cousins on multiple occasions? And Drummond is a 19 year old project who was insanely efficient on offense and dynamite on defense in his first year. He may not be very refined offensively, but at least he doesn't camp from 18 feet away and take stupid ass jumpers because he has a basketball IQ of 25.
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Nope, they got a 4th from Kansas City for him.
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You could try proving me wrong, but that would take anything other than "LOL SNOWFLAKE LOOK HOW FUNNY I AM GUYS" and so forth.
There's no sense in arguing opinions based on projections and potential, because obviously only your guys have potential and no one else in the NBA can develop. And besides it's much more enjoyable seeing you riled up like this.
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There's no sense in arguing opinions based on projections and potential, because obviously only your guys have potential and no one else in the NBA can develop. And besides it's much more enjoyable seeing you riled up like this.
Because you overrate Cousins, and you really have unremarkable young talent on your team (although I've come to appreciate Tyreke Evans more). We have absolutely none besides Monroe and Dre, but having two bigs with skills is rare in today's league as is. Plus, Dre was one of the most productive per minute guys in the league last year.
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Because you overrate Cousins, and you really have unremarkable young talent on your team (although I've come to appreciate Tyreke Evans more). We have absolutely none besides Monroe and Dre, but having two bigs with skills is rare in today's league as is. Plus, Dre was one of the most productive per minute guys in the league last year.
How do i overrate him? Because i say he's better than both Drummond and Monroe?

He's been 18/10 and 17/10 in his second and third seasons in the NBA as a 22 year old. Even though his points went down, everything about him improved this year. His FG%, his PPS, his assists, his FT shooting and his help defense in the post (his pick 'n roll defense is still really bad), despite what i felt was misuse on offense that led to some of his bad habits (his pull up jumpers), and he still vastly improved his efficiency. Why is it farfetched for me to imagine he will continue to improve with better coaching? Malone will automatically make this team miles better on defense, and Pat-Pat actually did a decent job complementing Cousins' game in the post.

Drummond is a beast of a player and he has immense potential, but that's all it is at this point. He hasn't shown much and yeah i understand he is young and he still has a long ways to go, but as of now he isn't better and he hasn't shown enough on offense to make me feel he has more potential than Cousins does. Cousins is one of the best rebounders in the NBA, and if he just becomes average on defense, he will be worth a ton more than Drummond, who will never be much of an offensive threat.

Cousins has gotten ridiculously close to being 20/10 twice, and he's only 22. And i'm sure you already know that there were zero 20/10 bigs in the NBA last season. Drummond will never be a 20/10 guy.
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Nope, they got a 4th from Kansas City for him.
Derp, that's what i meant. That was probably the last good move the Jets made.
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Drummond HAS shown a ton actually, which is why he was so productive when he played. His problem right now is his free throw shooting, and I really hope he can fix that but we'll see. Other than that, he's probably the best non Reggie Evans rebounder in the NBA and he's a monster when he's actually in the paint with the ball. He knows his limitations outside of the paint so he never does much out there, but he's good at running the pick and roll and morphing into a dominant defensive force.

Cousins is an excellent rebounder and he's a pretty decent passer, but he has a ridiculous amount of flaws. He takes WAY too many long range jumpers (he actually took more this year and was way less successful on them too), he turns the ball over far too much, he gets into foul trouble too easily, he's an asshole who could balloon up if he doesn't watch it (although Dre could balloon up as well) and he's not as good of a finisher as he should be given his skillset. He could improve with more experience, but coaches don't make that much of a difference anyway.
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Still really pissed the Raptors took Ross over Drummond. I loved Drummond going into that year and even when his stock fell I thought there was no way he would fall to the Raptors pick. He does and they pass. There is no excuse for that. None.
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How many Slam Dunk Contest wins does Drummond have?
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Kevin Love says lol.
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He was out for most of the year and thus does not count.
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He was out for most of the year and thus does not count.
And that puts him at a disadvantage against a guy who has played 60 games in his career? mmmkay.
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OJ Mayo isn't better than either, so...
Wut?

He was more productive than both of them combined. Was a better shooter, better everything and is younger.
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Drummond HAS shown a ton actually, which is why he was so productive when he played. His problem right now is his free throw shooting, and I really hope he can fix that but we'll see. Other than that, he's probably the best non Reggie Evans rebounder in the NBA and he's a monster when he's actually in the paint with the ball. He knows his limitations outside of the paint so he never does much out there, but he's good at running the pick and roll and morphing into a dominant defensive force.

Cousins is an excellent rebounder and he's a pretty decent passer, but he has a ridiculous amount of flaws. He takes WAY too many long range jumpers (he actually took more this year and was way less successful on them too), he turns the ball over far too much, he gets into foul trouble too easily, he's an asshole who could balloon up if he doesn't watch it (although Dre could balloon up as well) and he's not as good of a finisher as he should be given his skillset. He could improve with more experience, but coaches don't make that much of a difference anyway.
His FT shooting is not his only problem. He is awkward around the post with his back to the basket and he isn't really a front facing player either. He'll get putbacks and finishes off the pick 'n roll but further than that i'm gonna take a wait and see approach. I just don't see it right now but of course that can change. A lot of his offensive game relies on him playing with a good PG as well.

As for the "ridiculous amount of flaws" Cousins has, those few you mentioned will hopefully be fixed with the new offense implementation. Like i've reiterated before, Not-So-Smart had him playing on the high post with Thompson in the block for god knows what reason. It improved his passing a ton (and he's a sick passer off the double team in the block. watch him when he makes his move to the basket and finds the open man), and it really did help the offense a bit but it didn't play to the team's strengths, or his. His long range jumpers will hopefully decrease with his added touches in the paint. And despite that all don't forget he still drastically improved his efficiency.

The only thing that does worry me is his foul trouble, but hopefully that will also be improved with better defensive technique. I wanted a defensive minded coach to come in and that's we got. I'm confident in Malone's ability to teach defense to young guys, and he's improved team's defensive rankings at every place he's been. His weight is really a non-concern, he understands that he has to keep his fat % low and ever since he got to Sacramento he's been busting his ass to make sure he's meeting what's required.
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Spo has really done a great job with his line-ups thus far considering how deep Miami is but he's went from big to small at the right times and kept the right shooters out there. Seems like he's been a step ahead of Pop at least in that regards and has Pop adjusting his line-ups to catch up to who Miami is rolling with.
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Does Ginobli really have Lebrons on?
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Refs refusing to call Miami on anything so far.
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Congrats that's the record for quickest the refs were mentioned in this thread during a Heat game.
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