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View Poll Results: More important to team success:
an elite cornerback (Darrelle Revis) 30 56.60%
an elite running back (Adrian Peterson) 23 43.40%
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Old 07-08-2013, 02:45 PM    (permalink
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The point is that no one player, besides QB, can really carry a football team.

The RBs skills can be maximized with a good QB, good offensive line and good receiving options on the outside. Also proper play-calling can go a long way.

The CBs skills can be maximized with a good defensive line, good athletic linebackers and good safety play, again, proper play calling and scheme go a long way.

I don't really think there's a true answer as to what is more valuable. Just as their are system RBs, there are system CBs. Adrian Peterson and Darrelle Revis both seem to be scheme diverse players that can excel on any team. They will both elevate the players around them, and both require teams to scheme against them.

I'd take Peterson but it's not a wrong answer to say Revis.
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oh please. he said the greatest defense of all-time won the super bowl. do you disagree? do you think haynes and deion were carried by greatest of all time offenses? were you actually planning to respond to the argument, or just posting more snark like you did in the other post i quoted?



that's surprising.



"stalk your post"? i've responded to you in like, 2 total threads because you said inane things. but yes, i should ONLY respond to people who are directly talking to me. i assume you'll be taking your own advice shortly.
To an extent I would have to disagree, yes. Payton helped carry the offense, without Payton they likely never would have reached the superbowl. The defense greatly carried them in the actual super bowl game, due to numerous reasons. But Payton helped get them there.

This was an offense that was ranked 2nd in the league. You can argue a large part of it was due to the defense but Payton was still a pivotal player on that team.

Deion and Haynes may not have been carried by the greatest offenses of all time, but they possessed very good offenses and there's no way to argue the reason they won the superbowl was due to Sanders or Haynes. Sanders was carried by the #1 offense in the league that year, that put up 505pts. Haynes was carried by the #9 offense. Neither one were poor offenses.

The only thing I've heard referring to Sanders carry the team was him "shutting down" Irvin for 12 catches, 192yds and 2 tds

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Take the best RB vs the best CB in any decade I think the RB wins every time. 90's is pretty close.

OJ Simpson > Jimmy Johnson
Walter Payton > Mike Haynes
Barry Sanders > Dion Sanders
LT = Champ Bailey
AP > Revis
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Only one of those RBs has a Super Bowl ring and that was won by a GOAT defense.
Neither OJ Simpson nor Jimmy Johnson won a Super Bowl.

Walter Payton won a Super Bowl because of a great defense, without a great quarterback. Mike Haynes' Super Bowl-winning Raiders had a good defense and the 3rd-ranked scoring offense in the NFL. (Oh, and a Hall of Fame running back in his prime - Marcus Allen.)

Barry Sanders was on lousy teams, and when Deion got a ring in 1994 it was on a San Fransisco team led by a peaking Steve Young and with a running back who arguably should be in the Hall in Ricky Watters. I'm not necessarily saying that he should be, but there are plenty of folks who make the case for him. When Deion got a ring in 1995 he was playing for the Dallas team that included Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, and another Hall of Fame running back in Emmitt Smith. Deion was a mercenary. He got his two rings by joining the two most-stacked rosters in the NFL.

LaDainian Tomlinson may never have made it to the Super Bowl, but neither has Champ. Neither have AP or Revis. So of all the players here, the only one, cornerback or running back, who won a Super Bowl without a notable quarterback was Walter Payton. And the cornerbacks who won Super Bowls had great running backs on their teams as well.
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Jim McMahon was an above average QB.
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Jim McMahon was an above average QB.
And Jim Plunkett was better. I definitely wouldn't say McMahon got the Bears to the Super Bowl. What's more, it also just as definitely wasn't the Bears' secondary that got them there - it was their defensive line and linebackers, primarily.
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Only one of those RBs has a Super Bowl ring and that was won by a GOAT defense.
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why, specifically, do you think this is responsive, or relevant to the OP's original question?



brilliant.
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no one said the CBs carried the team to the super bowl. you literally made that up. thus non-responsive (i'm confused as to why you think this has anything to do with the original post being a question) and irrelevant.
To be fair MassNole didn't make any point. He placed a fact out there without telling us what conclusion we were suppose to make. Any conclusion that would be at all relevant to this topic would make no sense. So I can't blame mighty titan for jumping to one of the three possible conclusions that could be garnered from the posting of such a stat.
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The 49ers do not even make the 1994/95 Super Bowl without Deion Sanders completely taking Michael Irvin out of the NFCCG.
Irvin had one of his best games during that contest. Sanders wasn't even on Irvin during the majority of the game. It was Eric Davis. The Cowboys committed three turnovers that game. None of which Sanders was responsible for. That is what killed Dallas. Themselves.
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Players like JPP right Acheten?
Acheten rant about how JPP had nothing to do with the Giants Super Bowl run in 3...2....1....
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