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Old 07-14-2013, 02:35 PM    (permalink
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Manziel is killing his reputation.
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Manziel is like the girl you meet that says she hates drama, so you know right away that they're actually going to be the cause of a lot of unnecessary shizz.
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It will be fun to watch Manziel leave after next year, get invited to the draft, and then end up a 5th round pick.
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He lacks the maturity to handle the spotlight.
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I'd stay far away from him. Just seems like another coddled, egotistical Big Texas school prospect that has no comprehension of what it means to be a pro.
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Manziel is killing his reputation.
I read this article back in November and I just had a bad feeling that things were about to start happening after he won the Heisman.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ing-by-wayside
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The comments in that thread are golden.

As far as Manziel...

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Manziel is like the girl you meet that says she hates drama, so you know right away that they're actually going to be the cause of a lot of unnecessary shizz.
Oh, man. "I hate drama" is the #1 phrase that should make guys run away, but suckers keep taking it at face value.

Anyway, JAWNY FOOTBAWL's daddy came out and said that he was sent home from the Manning thing because he was dehydrated. You know what causes dehydration? ****-tons of booze.
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Disappointing. I've defended his prospects from a play standpoint, but the more I hear about the way he acts the less I'd want him in my locker room.
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I really can't even put into words what it is exactly about Manziel that I just don't like as an NFL prospect. Maybe it's his body type, maybe it's his play style, or a combination of them. I just don't see him being a premier QB at the next level. Maybe I'm wrong, but he just seems like a different form of Tim Tebow. Much better passer, for sure, but just in terms of being an absolute dynamo in college, but worthless in the NFL.
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I really can't even put into words what it is exactly about Manziel that I just don't like as an NFL prospect. Maybe it's his body type, maybe it's his play style, or a combination of them. I just don't see him being a premier QB at the next level. Maybe I'm wrong, but he just seems like a different form of Tim Tebow. Much better passer, for sure, but just in terms of being an absolute dynamo in college, but worthless in the NFL.
Everyone has guys that just "feel" like a bust to them. Since 98, I've been calling it "the Leaf factor."

Blaine Gabbert's a solid example of it for me, even though he looks a lot more like a QB than Manziel.
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Manziel is just a good college QB, nothing more in my opinion. He's a Chase Daniel / Todd Reesing guy.
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I really can't even put into words what it is exactly about Manziel that I just don't like as an NFL prospect. Maybe it's his body type, maybe it's his play style, or a combination of them. I just don't see him being a premier QB at the next level. Maybe I'm wrong, but he just seems like a different form of Tim Tebow. Much better passer, for sure, but just in terms of being an absolute dynamo in college, but worthless in the NFL.
It isn't too hard to put into words what not to like about Manziel as a prospect. Undersized, not a great arm, character issues, potential injury future based on size and playing style.
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Yeah nothing I love for the NFL level. He could be a college legend but he isn't worth a good pick right now.
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LOL at all these downer comments before the start of the 2013 college football season.

If Manziel equals or outperforms what he did on the field last year, being hungover at the Manning Camp will be a distant memory.

OCs scheme their offense around players like Manziel nowadays. Being a strictly in the pocket dropback QB is no longer the prototype.

Manziel's mobility and ability to make plays on the run I think are going to keep him a near lock for the 1st round.

Yes there are maturity issues with Manziel, although IMO they're minor, however his game is electric.

I like the more mobile Jeff Garcia comparisons. Most teams teams could do worse than having a guy with Manziel's skillset at QB.

I'm more concerned to see how he measures at the combine since I have a sneaking suspicion he's a hair under 5'11.
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"More" mobile Jeff Garcia is a little bit of an understatement, I think. Obviously it's tough to tell how well it is going to translate against NFL defenses, but he clearly tore it up last year. While I admit it is a very large range, I see him somewhere between Colt McCoy and Michael Vick. I think he's a lot more athletic/mobile than McCoy, but has a lot less arm strength than Vick (and less athletic, but not by as much as you might think).
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I don't think his maturity issues are minor at all. Maybe if he was a receiver. But I hold quarterbacks to a higher standard. He has arrests, he blew a nice opportunity at the Manning camp, and he seems like he doesn't handle the spotlight well (he freaked out over a parking ticket). I think best case scenario he is Michael Vick. An exciting player who I would never want to lead my team.
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The Manning camp thing really is a non-factor and it won't effect his draft stock one bit. How he does in interviews will, however. And of course his measurables and arm strength. I'd expect most teams to pass but one to reach for him for ticket and merchandise sales (like the Jags)
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Well teams won't like it as a reflection on his character. Could you imagine RGIII or Andrew Luck doing that kinda thing? No way. Teams aren't gonna reach for him if they don't think he can play. People loved Ryan Mallett's tools, but he fell b/c of his character issues. Being small without an average arm and maturity issues is not a good combination.
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Jaguars don't need help with ticket sales by the way. They haven't been blacked out in a few seasons and they won't be next year either. The idea that the Jags have ticket issues is a myth that is repeated by the national media with complete disregard of the facts.
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I really can't wait to read Nolan Nowrocki's scouting report on Manziel.
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Peyton seemed to think it was a non issue even sighting a 20 year old Eli that missed meetings.

Seems like #### follows Manziel wherever he goes and hopefully it isn't a symptom of any character issues. A 20 year old that needs to grow up. Shocking.
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I really can't wait to read Nolan Nowrocki's scouting report on Manziel.
Guess what, Nawrocki was actually right for all the flack he got about his Cam Newton scouting report.

This kid will be a bust in the NFL. Guaranteed. Less than 6'1", played with a dominant OLine last year, has a bad attitude...
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Since everybody doesn't like him, I'm going to like him. :D
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Since everybody doesn't like him, I'm going to like him. :D
My guess is whatever team drafts him will have full fan support. Another average year for the Cowboys and he may be headed for Dallas.
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