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Old 07-19-2013, 01:20 PM    (permalink
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Comp Sci or Information Technology will likely have a better chance of getting you hired. However, you can get your degree in anything that has its basis in analysis or mathematics and be quite fine. In the end, your skills and experience and network (who you know) counts for the most.

When job hunting, look at yourself as a product. You, as a product, provide value to your employer in some way. Your skills are the attributes of your product and your brand. Your experience is a validation that you can do what you say you can do. Your network is akin to a friend recommending your "brand". It breaks down barriers.

90% of jobs these days are filled by internal hires (jobs never posted externally) or by personal recommendations from current employees. Who you know matters a TON.

In the end, organizations will hire someone with some skills if they have the personality that fits. The strategy is called "Hiring for fit, teaching skills." For instance, I didn't have 100% of what my current boss was looking for. We both admit that I had 70% of what was needed, but I had 100% of the personality she wanted. Over the past 2 years, she and I have built those other 30%. She has also hired new college grads with 20% skills and worked to make up that 80%. Fit matters both ways.

I tried so hard looking for the clip from Step-Brothers about Dale saying he is going to be a doctor because its the family business and its about who you know.

Its so true.
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It fully depends on what your plans are. But I'll say that if you can get a job someway pertaining to what you are going to do after you graduate do that work experience trumps any minor you have. It looks good on a grad school application I have two minors one in Biochemistry and another in Comp Sci. I've never had either mentioned in a job interview.
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Damn, I am a Finance-Econ double major. I wanted to do Portuguese/Spanish as a minor but this thread is making me feel like I should just do Statistical Analysis as a minor instead.
Really depends what you want to do. On one hand, the language makes you a little unique. If you wanted to go language, I bet Chinese would make you a winner ahead of the Spanish. Nothing wrong with a little bit of balance, but you should be getting as much experience outside the classroom as you can. That makes all the difference
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I will say that I graduated with an IT major and I did a statistics minor and it was completely pointless. Now if I had gotten a minor in Security or Business or something else relevant to the business world, that might have been a little different...
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Damn, I am a Finance-Econ double major. I wanted to do Portuguese/Spanish as a minor but this thread is making me feel like I should just do Statistical Analysis as a minor instead.
Do the language. Go work in Portugal or Spain. Love those countries.
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Minors are completely useless. I strongly recommend a double major, and have the 2 majors 2 different career paths. That way you give yourself more options when you graduate.

I regret doing a minor. I should have done a double major. Big mistake.
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Minors aren't useless, but adding money to your debt load to get one might be a bad investment in this economy and the future of the American work force. If you have taken summer courses and AP's and have credits to spare, adding a minor in something relevant can help. For instance, a Finance degree with an Econ minor is worthwhile if you want to go into capital markets.
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I never had a single job interview where anyone cared about my minor. And I've done plenty of interviews.
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I never had a single job interview where anyone cared about my minor. And I've done plenty of interviews.
I haven't had a job interview where they really cared about my major.
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Let's get real. Maybe no one asked you about it, but when your education was your best and biggest achievement so far, it factored in. Once you get 5 years' work experience, you don't need to worry about education as much. Early on, it can matter. If you can add some skills (like analysis or a valuable language), it can set you apart up front.
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Let's get real. Maybe no one asked you about it, but when your education was your best and biggest achievement so far, it factored in. Once you get 5 years' work experience, you don't need to worry about education as much. Early on, it can matter. If you can add some skills (like analysis or a valuable language), it can set you apart up front.
Meh, I started at a job where I didn't need any skills. They thought I was smart so they gave me more to do.

My suggestion to anyone, find a place you want to work. Find any job you can get with them, then tell them where you want to go in their company. You get a paycheck earlier and gain experience and most companies want to hire internally because it's SOOOOOOOO much easier than hunting elsewhere with recruiters and such.
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Definitely great advice. As I mentioned above, fit is important. The reason so many people get hired internally is because they are a known entity and already fit into the team and company culture.
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Definitely great advice. As I mentioned above, fit is important. The reason so many people get hired internally is because they are a known entity and already fit into the team and company culture.
Yep, I mean we had a SharePoint Manager here and he was congenial but terrible at the actual job. So he is gone and they have been looking for 2 months for his replacement and the CIO doesn't want to get a consultant for another month of interviews. Hell, if I get SharePoint certified they might even hire me for that job at this point.
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Your internships matter a hell of a lot more than your minor. Minors are useless. They look at what college you went to, your gpa, your major, your internships.

They could care less about your minor.
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My brother got an internship with Sherwin Williams. The idea is to get high achievers into the store and try to see if they're management material, then bring them through the ranks quickly for high performers. He did great in the internship, then in the interview, he told them that he didn't need to take steps 1 or 2 and wanted Step 3. Didn't get that job (was a shoe-in), and now he's doing nothing. So stupid...
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Do the language. Go work in Portugal or Spain. Love those countries.
Yeah, it's not like they have massive youth unemployment issues or anything. I'm sure he'll get a job there easily.

Some of the advice here sucks.
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Minors aren't useless, but adding money to your debt load to get one might be a bad investment in this economy and the future of the American work force. If you have taken summer courses and AP's and have credits to spare, adding a minor in something relevant can help. For instance, a Finance degree with an Econ minor is worthwhile if you want to go into capital markets.
Exactly. As it pertains to the original question, the minor is a waste. PT vs. FT tuition for two semesters is going to triple the cost, give or take. $15k+ is not a good investment for a minor.
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