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Old 07-20-2013, 03:41 AM    (permalink
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Anyone say Barry Foster yet?
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Allen Ameche.
Played for the Baltimore Colts from 1955-1960, making the Pro Bowl each of his first four years in the league and being named first team All-Pro as a rookie while leading the league in rushing. Tore his Achilles when he was 27, 10 games into 1960. If he'd played a few more years he'd probably be in the Hall of Fame.
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Eddie Lee Ivery, RB
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Another gifted phenom RB who's career was denied greatness because of a ****** knee injury.

He was coach Bart Starr's 1st round pick in 1979 after being a superstar at Georgia Tech. He appeared to be a surefire NFL stud.

But in his first ever game (like KiJana Carter) Ivery tore an ACL in his opening game of 1979, at Chicago.
It happened on his third carry (24 yards).

He rehabbed and played the next season, 1980.
Then in the first game again, in 1981, he once again blew out the knee, again at Chicago Solider field on the artificial turf.

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Ivery did it all at Georgia Tech, running the football, catching passes and returning kicks.

In 1978, he had one of the greatest games in college football history.

In the snow and with an upset stomach, Ivery rushed for 356 yards on 26 carries at Air Force.

On that slippery field, he ripped off touchdown jaunts of 80, 73 and 57 yards.

He became the Yellow Jackets' all-time leading rusher with more than 3,500 yards and was named an All-American his senior year. He was considered a top NFL prospect, and head coach Bart Starr and the Packers made him their first-round pick in the 1979 NFL draft.

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Ivery lived up to his billing as a rookie, quickly grasping the pro game and fitting in with his Green Bay teammates.

He impressed the coaches with his work ethic and athletic ability, showcasing his talent in the preseason with several impressive runs.

In his first regular-season game against the Bears in Chicago, Ivery carried the ball three times for 24 yards. On his fourth carry, his season was over.

"I went to cut back against the grain and tore my ACL," Ivery said. "I never did get hit on that play. I played on artificial turf in college and never had a problem.

"It was so unfortunate to be injured like that against the Bears because I felt like I was off to such a good start with the Packers and being a rookie in the NFL."

Ivery rehabbed his knee and returned in 1980 to his old form, leading Green Bay with his career-high 831 yards in 202 carries (4.1-yard average). He rushed for three touchdowns and also finished second to James Lofton with 50 receptions for 481 yards and one score.

Then lightning struck twice.

In the 1981 season opener at Soldier Field, Ivery was having a solid game with 14 rushes for 72 yards.

In the third quarter, he burst into the Chicago secondary and was tackled by a diving defensive back, whose helmet struck Ivery's left knee. Other ligaments were damaged, again ending his promising season.

Ivery went through the arduous rehabilitation process a second time and came back to lead the Packers to a 5-3-1 record in the strike-shortened season with 453 yards. He was rewarded with a new contract entering the 1983 season.
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I remember when I was a kid some rookie (I think) RB tore his ACL running in the sand at the rookie skills challenge during the pro bowl week. Ended his career.

Does anyone else remember this? I'm 25 and wanna say I was around 10 when it happened
I remember watching that live, it was brutal.
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Anyone say Barry Foster yet?

Great drop.

That's why it's automatic for me when a player like Curtis Martin makes the HOF. People forget sometimes how difficult it is at that position to stay healthy enough for over a decade to accumulate the yards he did.

Barry Foster when healthy was a beast RB.
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Eddie George?
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He had a pretty good career. Jeff Fisher just ran his ass into the ground every year.
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And he always played hurt. He was on the decline after his 403 carry season in 00.

Its the same way with Larry Johnson really, he never recovered from his record 416 carries. Jamal Anderson never recovered from 410 carries.

Eric Dickersons really the only RB that's produced at a high level after a 400 carry season.
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Didn't Peterson just have 400 carries?
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eddie george? who never missed a start? seriously? who was only beat on consecutive starts by walter peyton? was the intention to point out pretty much the anti-thesis of everything in this thread?
Well when you put it that way...
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Didn't Peterson just have 400 carries?
APs never been the workload those guys were, he had 348.
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Jeez, he got that many yards with 348 carries?
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eddie george? who never missed a start? seriously? who was only beat on consecutive starts by walter peyton? was the intention to point out pretty much the anti-thesis of everything in this thread? just because he was a crappy 3ypc back for most of his career doesn't mean he fits in.
While I don't think it was derailed I do think injuries played a big factor in his career.

Sure he never had an ACL or anything, but the guy played a whole season with turf toe. He had nagging ankle and hamstring injuries. He and Steve were gladiators, in different ways, but gladiators all together.

I don't think he's worth mentioning here, but since he was I put forth my opinion on the matter.
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Jeez, he got that many yards with 348 carries?
It's actually pretty common for the backs to get around that many carries when they hit 2000. Chris Johnson had 358.

Oj had 332, Sanders 335.

It's rather odd, which Is why I say everything just seems to align when a back gets 2000 yards because only 2 (TD and Jamal Lewis) averaged under 5.5 ypc when they hit the mark.
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Jeez, he got that many yards with 348 carries?
We might start to see a decline with Peterson after what he just did.
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I hate to say a decline because he didn't get that many carries, and hasn't averaged that many carries over the course of his career.

I think he'll go back to around 4.5-4.8 ypc while getting 300-325 carries a season.
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I want to believe that Peterson is going to decline soon, but part of me thinks we should just throw logic out of the window when talking about Adrian Peterson.

I do think though that his recovery is somewhat suspicious. Would it surprise me if he got caught doing roids or HGH? No. Not at all.

Unfortunately bc of the era of sports we live in, suspicion is always rampant. You don't know who's a real freak and who's a manufactured freak anymore.
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It's just odd his best season ever comes after tearing an ACL. Not only his best season in yards, but he posted his 2nd most rushes in a season. If you throw out his rookie season where he shared time and got only 238 carries, he impoved his ypc total by 1.2ypc and posted the longest run of his career.

I know he caked it onto some average run D's, but that's still a great season, but still suspicious to say the least.
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I want to believe that Peterson is going to decline soon, but part of me thinks we should just throw logic out of the window when talking about Adrian Peterson.

I do think though that his recovery is somewhat suspicious. Would it surprise me if he got caught doing roids or HGH? No. Not at all.

Unfortunately bc of the era of sports we live in, suspicion is always rampant. You don't know who's a real freak and who's a manufactured freak anymore.
OK, as a die-hard Packer fan who spent all the 90's living in Minnesota and HATES that team..... here's what I think about that: If Peterson took HGH, PED's, and it helped him recover that much faster, then I think "medical" has made some advancements and we need to embrace that. The rules should allow people to recover faster, better, however they can.

I personally wish everyone could recover from ACLs, and Achilles tears, way faster. I hate those injuries. Fix them right up, however. Just get them back out there.

I still want the Vikings to go 2-14 though.
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I actually agree with being for PED when trying to recover from major injuries. The league is better with AD and RG3. I don't think they can ever out right make it legal though.
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OK, as a die-hard Packer fan who spent all the 90's living in Minnesota and HATES that team..... here's what I think about that: If Peterson took HGH, PED's, and it helped him recover that much faster, then I think "medical" has made some advancements and we need to embrace that. The rules should allow people to recover faster, better, however they can.

I personally wish everyone could recover from ACLs, and Achilles tears, way faster. I hate those injuries. Fix them right up, however. Just get them back out there.

I still want the Vikings to go 2-14 though.
I think performance enhancing drugs in general get somewhat of a bad rap. Especially HGH.

Steroids are pretty terrible for you, but even testosterone is being prescribed in low doses to some people nowadays.

Give it 20 years, and PEDs will be viewed like weed is today.
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I think it's two separate arguments. Regardless of the ipersonal feelings towards how dangerous something is, one could (and I do) argue that, regardless of its affect, it is still illegal.

Sometimes it's the behavior that should be evaluated more than the result of the behavior.
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I think it's two separate arguments. Regardless of the ipersonal feelings towards how dangerous something is, one could (and I do) argue that, regardless of its affect, it is still illegal.

Sometimes it's the behavior that should be evaluated more than the result of the behavior.
I don't necessarily disagree.
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