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Old 07-22-2013, 08:34 AM    (permalink
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The problem with drafting Clowney is he is a 5 year rental if you don't build a team around him fast.

Why would a player like him stay in a terrible situation for his career?
Somehow it's worked out all this time that the draft has been around, but now all of a sudden Clowney is just a rental. Oh ok. Good to know that he'll be the first elite player to go to a terrible team at the top of the draft.
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If you draft Clowney and don't build a good team around him, you won't make it to the end of his contract to worry about him leaving.
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SC is a good team, but I still think about what Bama would look like if he went there. That would be absolutely horrifying.
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SC is a good team, but I still think about what Bama would look like if he went there. That would be absolutely horrifying.
Alabama with a legitimate threat at pass rusher... that would be insane.
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SC is a good team, but I still think about what Bama would look like if he went there. That would be absolutely horrifying.
I would prefer not to think about that.
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Clowney, Stephon Gilmore, and Devonte Holloman all played on the same HS school team which is about 20 miles from Charlotte, NC. while Cordarrelle Patterson and Justin Worley played across town.Rock Hill SC has put a lot of players into the NFL.
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Alabama with a legitimate threat at pass rusher... that would be insane.
Pay attention to Jonathan Allen. He may mature into a DE, but the kid is scary fast and likes to anticipate snap counts. He'll be getting some playing time as a true freshman along with true sophomore Denzel Devall at Jack LB.
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All these teams aren't going to pick QB's. Give me Clowney/the 5th (at worst) QB #1/#33 instead of Teddy/2nd round rusher #1/#33.
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All these teams aren't going to pick QB's. Give me Clowney/the 5th (at worst) QB #1/#33 instead of Teddy/2nd round rusher #1/#33.
I've said it would have to be someone on the level of a John Elway or Peyton Manning to make me pass on Clowney but not everyone thinks like us.

On a somewhat unrelated subject I wonder if the rumor of an association with Jay Z will go anywhere.
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There could be worse things for him then getting suspended for a year and not risking injury. Only thing you would have to worry about is conditioning which is easily fixed.
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I've said it would have to be someone on the level of a John Elway or Peyton Manning to make me pass on Clowney but not everyone thinks like us.

On a somewhat unrelated subject I wonder if the rumor of an association with Jay Z will go anywhere.
Eh, I wouldn't doubt that Jay-Z and Clowney may have had contact, but I seriously doubt that either side would be dumb enough to violate the rules.
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I'd think with how high profile Clowney is the school & Spurrier are educating him about what he can and can't do. Just don't take anything for free and pay for your own stuff at a minimum. Probably another agent trying to cause Roc Nation trouble.

Huge get for Roc Nation if they can sign him when he leaves. They are really getting legit in a hurry.
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Well if we're speaking hypothetically, I want Clowney and Chandler Jones for the future on the edges. If we had those two with Vince inside we would just need someone with a pulse to round out the DL.
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The last dream I had before waking up this morning was me driving with Clowney in the passenger seat and Michael Brockers, Trent Williams, and Glen Dorsey in the back seat.

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I read that he dropped his weight down to 258? I don't like that. Clowney needs to be a 280 lb monster of a DE.

Anyone who drafts him and is stupid enough to force a 3-4 front on him needs to get fired anyway. You build your scheme around Clowney, not the other way around.
I think it was 268. IIRC Spurrier said he was around 270 at SEC media days.
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I want Clowney and JPP on the same team. A healthy JPP and Clowney would be ridiculous.
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He went through spring practice at 272.
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There could be worse things for him then getting suspended for a year and not risking injury. Only thing you would have to worry about is conditioning which is easily fixed.
Not sure there wouldn't be some teams that would prefer he sat the season out, as strange as that sounds.
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Also, as expected, Clowney has been cleared in regards to his relationship with Jay-Z.
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Walterfootball (senior writer Charlie Cambell) has "sources" (which he identifies as scouts) saying that the Clowney situation at South Carolina is the same kind of deal as it was for Mario Williams at NC State.

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It could be teams already trying to get his stock down (to make it cheaper to trade to #1), Spurrier trying to get him to work harder, or a legitimate concern.

It would be a shame for Clowney to turn into Mario Williams 2.0
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I don't buy what that "scout" is saying
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JUST THINK OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN WITH CLOWNEY AND BRANDOM GRAHAM ON THE SAME TEAM!
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I don't buy what that "scout" is saying
I'm calling BS on that one too. Sure, every superstar is differant than the other guys and might get an attitude but this guy didn't get where he is today because he was just born that way. It's sort of an insult to the player really.

As for the Mario Williams comparison i'm not quite as high on him as someone who has any great motor so that end of the comment i might agree with.
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I don't know if he's lazy, but it does worry me that Clowney is being praised and worshipped so much, as if he's a 100% lock to be the next elite pass rusher. It's not that unusual for top edge rusher prospects to fail to live up to the hype. Clowney could turn out to be a very good NFL player and still not live up to the "OMFG best defensive prospectz everz!" hype that he's getting.
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Eh, over these past two seasons Clowney has taken plays off and has come out earlier than you'd want to see. During fall practice, he got injured and tried to milk it a little bit so he wouldn't have to stand out in the extremely hot weather.

That being said, he's not lazy. All you have to do is look at his development, physical and mental. He's put on nearly forty pounds, and he may be actually be faster than he was before. His pass rush is much improved, relying much on less on pure speed or strength but now utilizing real technique to beat blockers. He watches a lot of tape and is very adept at quickly finding out his blockers weaknesses and making sure he's prepared to exploit them. Clowney came out of high school touted as the rare player who could jump straight into the pros, yet he clearly hasn't coasted on expectations and pure physical ability. He is never going to be your cliche gym rat, the guy who works harder than everyone else. That being said, he also doesn't really work any less than anyone else either. Come draft day, no scout is going to be moving him down the big board because of supposed work ethic concerns.
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