Originally Posted by gpngc
Potential Shockers at No. 25:
I'd scratch out Te'o, Collins and Hunt from that list.
Te'o is just flat too slow. Seattle likes speed at the LB core. In addition, they aren't moving Wagner from the mike to accomodate Te'o. Bad fit and undesired physical tools.
Seattle is very good at estimating where players will go. Seattle tends to see the draft in terms of who in a group would upgrade our current starting cast. Collins probably fits neatly amongst the second tier of LB prospects (Gooden, Sio Moore and possibly Khaseem Greene). Undoubtedly 3 if not all four of those guys could be had at #56. It's also possible that one or 2 of those guys will be around at #87. For us to take Collins, we'd have to think he's a guy 'we can't leave the draft without'. I don't see that.
I tend to think, that if we're going early with a LB, it'll be Ogletree, Greene, Jarvis Jones (should he fall) or Brown. It's hard to see any separation between these guys. And our FO is pretty transparent in how they publicize their needs. I don't see our first pick being anything other than an interior rusher.
I don't see us valuing Tyrann Mathieu at all. I don't see the fit. He doesn't have length or size. He doesn't have quick hips to be a slot corner and doesn't possess good man to man coverage skills to begin with. He thrives when he can play with everything in front of him. But we don't play zone except rarely. He's not fast enough to play our 1 deep scheme at safety.
Hunt is going to fall. But even if he doesn't, Seattle has shown that they value certain attributes:
1. Production in games. Their early picks all produced in a game setting.
2. Show well at the Senior Bowl. They have used that week in Mobile to really crystallize their board. It's a huge tool for them. It's also important to recall that at the Combine press conference before it started, Schneider said that their board was already complete. Seattle really doesn't add players to their board based on the combine at all. If anything, I'm betting is simply a pruning tool for them.
3. Scheme fit. On day three, they typically look at physical attribute players here that uniquely fit what we do. Even here, Seattle doesn't take combine warriors as a rule. Almost all of our selections in the 6th to 7th range were guys that weren't even invited to the combine at all.
In this case, Hunt really doesn't pass this criteria. His production in the season was spotty. His showing at the Senior Bowl was a disaster. For him to be a hawk, he'll have to drop to #120 (4th round).
I can see the case for Williams as being the pick. He's a big guy, but he demonstrated that he was able to create consistent pocket collapse at the senior bowl and had a good showing. He's also a guy that very possibly, if not probably won't be there at #56. Seattle will draft a guy a round early if they truly like him.
Brown and Ogletree are good options too.
Originally Posted by Babylon
Those last two likely early second if they were to trade down.
I would be shocked if we took a TE in the first. It's a deeper pool and unless we suddenly are looking at holding our cards close to the vest -- then I'm not seeing this as a pick.
None of these guys are Austin Sefarian-Jenkins. That's a TE I could see us taking. This class is just not so indistinguishable from the 3rd round TEs.
I can see Hunter and Allen. Although again, we have a pretty good pattern established for what we consider first round worthy. And I don't see these two guys as having achieved that. I would say if we have a guy graded for the first round, it's probably DeAndre Hopkins. Fantastic production and ball skills.
Swope is an interesting pick. I do think the medical history of concussions will scare teams off. He is a guy that I think ticks a lot of the check marks that Seattle loves. I don't see them going after him in the first if they don't plan on using him on the outside along with the slot. But I do think he's in the conversation at #56 or #87.
I do think we take a WR (not TE) with one of our day 1 or 2 picks. And probably one in day 3 as well. It's a thin group and I don't see us keeping Obomanu around at his age/salary.
Jones is probably the conventional choice. One could throw in Short (productive and good Sr. Bowl), Williams and maybe Sylvester Williams. Those 3 -- actually all 4 -- were productive and showed the ability to compete at the Sr. Bowl.
I really get the sense that it'll go:
2/3. WR/LB -- order dependent on who is available and what teams would be needing between 56 and 87.