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Old 08-12-2013, 12:00 PM    (permalink
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Using ages 25-30, Griffey beats Bonds using traditional statistics. Using a per 162-game season.

Griffey: 177 hits, 29 2B, 3 3B, 52 HR, 141 RBI, 125 Runs, 0.288 Avg.
Bonds: 170 hits, 34 2B, 3 3B, 39 HR, 121 HR, 118, Runs, 0.307 Avg.
You're failing, Seymour. What is it with you and failure?
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Did you seriously just use fielding percentage?
Would you rather me use Range Factor? Griffey wins 2.47-1.98. Griffey was also better when you control for position and league average for both fielding percentage and range.
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You're failing, Seymour. What is it with you and failure?
I already admitted that I thought Bonds was a better player. And using advanced metrics, his numbers are probbaly better. But I don't really have the time or desire to input a bunch of numbers to compute these metrics over a 6 season period so I used numbers I could add up on a spreadsheet in five minutes.
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I can't believe this is even being discussed.
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I can't believe this is even being discussed.
It really shouldn't be. Bonds was the better hitter (before steroids too). Griffey was the better fielder. I don't think either of those things is debatable. Blame Baller and Brody.
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It is kinda of not fair because Bonds batted 5th thus he drew too many walks both unintentionally and intentionally. Griffey batted 3rd in front of a potent multi-run home run threat.

Bonds played 3rd and 4th mostly with "steroid".



Griffey edges Bonds for a natural 3rd hitter with top notch consistency defensively at CF.
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Bonds was the better hitter while Griffey was arguably the better all around player.

I don't understand why this is such a debate.
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Bonds was the better hitter while Griffey was arguably the better all around player.

I don't understand why this is such a debate.
Bonds was at least better in two out of the three categories (baserunning and hitting) by a considerable margin yet KGJ is a better all around player. Sure.
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Bonds was at least better in two out of the three categories (baserunning and hitting) by a considerable margin yet KGJ is a better all around player. Sure.
Arguably the better all around player... Arguably.

I don't see the issue in believing that fact.
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I find it hard to believe that Griffey Jr. is still the top for CF with 48 HRs and 24 SBs in a same season.

Kemp is closer to 40/40 but needs to reach 45/45 to push Griffey Jr. out.


I am not sure about Griffey being an all around player but stolen bases was his only weakness. He may not need to steal some bases with Arod and Buhrer at plate. Griffey dealt with many injuries when he was with Reds.


Statistically, he is not one of better all around players. It is unfortunate.
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I can't believe this is even being discussed.
Bonds is clearly the better player and it is a stupid argument but it makes sense that people want to talk themselves into it. Griffey is the most loved baseball player of the last two decades and Bonds is a known jackass.
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How can you argue against that?
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nope that would be this

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Bonds is clearly the better player and it is a stupid argument but it makes sense that people want to talk themselves into it. Griffey is the most loved baseball player of the last two decades and Bonds is a known jackass.
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He also allegedly threatened to kill his former mistress, but hey, writing a check heals all wounds I guess.
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He also allegedly threatened to kill his former mistress, but hey, writing a check heals all wounds I guess.
He was verbally abusive with a mistress, but she never said he was physically abusive. **** happens.
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He was verbally abusive with a mistress, but she never said he was physically abusive. **** happens.
...Threatening to kill someone is not okay. That's not "**** happens." That's having your life threatened by someone who could take it in a minute if he wanted to.

I'm all for defending him as a player, but I don't understand why that needs to carry into justifying his all around shittiness as a human being.
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I'm just saying he's not the worst scumbag in the world. Yes that was reprehensible, I'm aware.
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The end. Cut to black. Audience goes ****ing ape****.
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How about this then for the Bonds advocates...

Will Miguel Cabrera take over the best hitter of our generation spot from Bonds when his career is over?
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How about this then for the Bonds advocates...

Will Miguel Cabrera take over the best hitter of our generation spot from Bonds when his career is over?
No. He should probably separate himself from Pujols first before Cabrera/Bonds becomes a conversation.
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