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Old 08-29-2013, 06:38 PM    (permalink
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League leading 19 Interceptions! Will he ever learn???

Romo gets excuses but nobody else does right? mmmk.
Yup. If the line gives him time and the WRs catch the ball and/or run the right routes, he does his job. Wonder if that 31st ranked running game had anything to do with it as well? You say all the great stats dont matter when it comes to Romo then throw up a stat to prove your point? Weeeeeeeeak!
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Time to see who makes a good case tonight. I wonder if Heath does really well where they stand with Matt Johnson. When he played he looked like he could be a find, but he is always hurt.
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Yup. If the line gives him time and the WRs catch the ball and/or run the right routes, he does his job. Wonder if that 31st ranked running game had anything to do with it as well? You say all the great stats dont matter when it comes to Romo then throw up a stat to prove your point? Weeeeeeeeak!
Haha. OK I accept that. :)

But what about the times Romo doesn't make the right read, or right pass or is off a little? C'mon. You act like he's a mistake free player himself.

Gotta credit Jerry for scooting Garrett out of that seat as playcaller though. Garrett didn't like it and it was hard thing to get him to do peacefully, so Jerry does deserve credit there. He also used his first round pick to fix the middle of our OL. Double kudos. Problem is, some people are insatiable. They want EVERYTHING fixed and that's just never gonna happen.

Jerry made some moves to fix the team. Now trust Romo to get us past the flaws that are still left.
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Haha. OK I accept that. :)

But what about the times Romo doesn't make the right read, or right pass or is off a little? C'mon. You act like he's a mistake free player himself.

Gotta credit Jerry for scooting Garrett out of that seat as playcaller though. Garrett didn't like it and it was hard thing to get him to do peacefully, so Jerry does deserve credit there. He also used his first round pick to fix the middle of our OL. Double kudos. Problem is, some people are insatiable. They want EVERYTHING fixed and that's just never gonna happen.

Jerry made some moves to fix the team. Now trust Romo to get us past the flaws that are still left.
138-138. His "plan" if he has one, doesnt work. Thats a proven fact.
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Not even gonna complain about our Pro Bowl backups. Just hope they can play when called on in the regular season. Will say Webb gives up WAY to much room though.
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138-138. His "plan" if he has one, doesnt work. Thats a proven fact.
Is that his entire record or only the record you want to go back to that suits your argument?

3 rings. How many owners have that?
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Is that his entire record or only the record you want to go back to that suits your argument?

3 rings. How many owners have that?
So your telling me he was a genius when Jimmy was here and got stupid after Jimmy left? Funny how that happened huh?

With Jimmys talent he wins 3 rings, 18 years later he has ONE playoff win? Things that make you say Hmmmm
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So your telling me he was a genius when Jimmy was here and got stupid after Jimmy left? Funny how that happened huh?

With Jimmys talent he wins 3 rings, 18 years later he has ONE playoff win? Things that make you say Hmmmm
How many did Jimmy win after he left?

Things that make you say Hmmmm.

You say Jimmy's talent got those rings. I say Jerry's money.
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This entire argument is absolutely trivial as well can we talk about the game being played? We almost need a ranting thread so pocket can vent his frustrations about everything, D can rant about Romo, I can rant about other people ranting, and we can actually utilize this thread for productive conversation.

Yessssh. That aside Jeff Heath should make this roster and if he doesn't some team is going to be very lucky to let him play on ST and develop. I've completely cooled on the idea of keeping 3 QBs Tanney is fine as a potential PS stash but he isn't worth losing a rotational defensive lineman or safety.
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Things that make you say Hmmmm.

You say Jimmy's talent got those rings. I say Jerry's money.
I guess in the last 18 years Jerry ran out of money?
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Well, the NFL started implementing the Salary Cap in 1994. Caught up to speed now?
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Well, the NFL started implementing the Salary Cap in 1994. Caught up to speed now?
What year did we sign Deion again? Joey Galloway? Roy Williams? T.O.? Caught up to speed yet? Clearly he didnt run out of money hes just done a poor job of spending it since the REAL GM left in 93
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What year did we sign Deion again? Joey Galloway? Roy Williams? T.O.? Caught up to speed yet?
I'm not saying he hasn't dished out big contracts. I'm saying he can't dish out even more.

The cap has restrained him from digging into his wallet to pay for players. Pre-salary cap Jerry had a real solution to winning Super Bowls. $$$
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I'm not saying he hasn't dished out big contracts. I'm saying he can't dish out even more.

The cap has restrained him from digging into his wallet to pay for players. Pre-salary cap Jerry had a real solution to winning Super Bowls. $$$
So tell me, during Jimmys years who did JJ go spend big money on that was a hugh factor. Only guy I can think of is Haley and Im not even sure if that was a huge contract. Those Super Bowl teams were built through the draft and that was all Jimmy! Pretty sure you know that too.
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It's been real fellas, but I'm outta here. Too much negativity for me to stay around. Go Cowboys!!!
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So tell me, during Jimmys years who did JJ go spend big money on that was a hugh factor. Only guy I can think of is Haley and Im not even sure if that was a huge contract. Those Super Bowl teams were built through the draft and that was all Jimmy! Pretty sure you know that too.
...and how much did it take to KEEP those players around? Think other teams didn't want to pay for them? Don't just look at FAs. I don't remember the Salary Cap being an instant limit where teams had to cut their salary on Day 1. Pretty sure it was a phased thing. So you can include Deion as a big money move made by Jerry to win SBs as well.

You're trying to get me to discredit Jimmy. I'm not. He did an awesome job here. Only a stupid person would disagree. There's just not one reason why we won and that one reason is not Jimmy. Nor would it be Jerry. Same goes for blame. Jerry deserves blame for not winning since the 90's. But there's plenty of blame to go around. Romo included. You can defend him till you're blue in the face, but there are MANY to blame. Until we win one, the entire organization top to bottom takes the blame. If we ever win won, the entire organization would take the credit too. That's the way it works.
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It's been real fellas, but I'm outta here. Too much negativity for me to stay around. Go Cowboys!!!
Same. Congrats pocket. Say what you want about this team. I'm not going to expect another 8-8 season even if you end up being right.
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I dont expect an 8-8 season either, didnt expect it last year or the year before that either. Sorry about the negativity, I see a lot of young good talent on this team. I hope Im wrong about the Lines and we dominate in the trenches. Im NOT going to root against OUR team when the season starts so I can say I told you so. When we kick off against the G-men I will be rooting just as hard as the rest of you guys. Ive made my points and feelings known, I'll reel it in. Sorry for the clutter. GO BOYS!
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Now that the preseason is over, what are y'all's hard predictions for the season? It's partially for fun and where we think the team is all around to get some more discussion going to tide us for the week and a half until the real game starts.

I am going to throw myself on the line for this one.....

I think 11-5 with an NFC East title is what the 'Boys will have this season. Yes, I know I'm crazy. I have a feeling that the X-factor players will all have great seasons at the right spot. Dez will be huge, Romo will get just enough time to make plays, the running backs are all good, and Sean Lee and Bruce Carter will make a huge difference to the middle of the field in both the passing and running game. There will be enough takeaways on defense to win a lot of games, and I think this will be a big season for the Cowboys. There are definitely some things I'm worried about, but I look at both sides of the ball having at least three X-factor players that can make big plays. Offense has Dez, Romo, Austin, and Murray in addition to some really good options beyond that like Witten and Harris. Defense has Ware, Lee, Carter, Spencer, and Claiborne and Carr could be really good this season.

I'm making a lot of assumptions, but that's how it is with predictions. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but that's the fun of it.
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I can live with TF, even though Ive complained about the value of the trade. Its just like Bob said, we watch them play and we all see the MAJOR weakness and then its ignored. How can we count on Rat after the last few years? Hatcher is about to be 31. Spencer is being asked to play a new position, and JJ comes out and acts like its the strength of the team. Then we have the O-line, take a Center in the 1st then ignore the fact that our Guards and RT were HORRIBLE last year. The draft isnt the only way to upgrade but when your not pursuing the talent and signing cheap below average guys you wind up doing desperate things like trying to sign retired guys or moving your below average RT to guard and hoping your new below average RT doesnt get you killed. Its not that the coaches think it can work its that the coaches have no choice! The GM gave them crap and said do the best you can. Zero linemen picked up in FA and 1 drafted. As Ive said those other guys are good players but to ignore the lines (both sides) Again, is a huge mistake IMO.

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And all this is the best case, what if Smith or TF or Hatcher get hurt? OMG it could get ugly in a hurry. If it werent already ugly enough.

Have you looked around the division?


Giants: Their D-line is worse then ours. They have JPP returning from injury and who else? Tuck hasn't been the same for years and is a shell of his former self, Austin hasn't developed, Osi is gone, Kiwi is solid at best but he's certainly not better then Spencer. Who is their key depth there that makes that unit deep?


Then that's not even getting into their LBers and how we have 4 better then any of them. Having play-makers at the position makes up for some deficiencies on the line that the Giants don't have the advantage of. Who are their CB's? What pro bowl Safeties do they have? Let's also not forget they are in the middle of re-tooling their offensive line too and we don't know how that is going to go yet, their not far away from us in that aspect too.


Redskins: Who is going to be their Safety or CB? I don't know 1 guy I can hang my hat on in that entire group even though I love their front 7 and think they are the front runners for the division because of RGIII. Still, they can be beat through the air pretty easily.


Eagles: They have holes all over the place. Their defense is garbage and their secondary will get shredded.


The point? We all have warts. Every single one of us. I wasn't saying that to say we can't point out which ones we have, but just so that you will see it's not just Jerry Jones that didn't fill every single hole and weakness on his team all at once. I would take our defense, top to bottom, over every single defense in the division. There is a glaring weak spot on all teams at this point, even the "good drafting" teams.
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Boys win at leat 10 games and play in Seattle for the NFC title game...

Romo's narrative is told throughout the week leading to the game...I'm just not sure if that narrative changes or stays the same past that game.

Thank God football is back!!!
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i think the biggest question going into the season is why does pocketaces use hugh instead of huge?

also drafting TF was a nice move in a position of need, but it shouldn't have stopped there. yes you can't fix every problem all at once, and there will always be something to complain about, but frederick isn't the solution just a piece. the biggest complaint i have is the escobar pick. may wind up loving him, may look back and say glad we got him, but definitely don't like using such a high pick there for that.
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the biggest complaint i have is the escobar pick. may wind up loving him, may look back and say glad we got him, but definitely don't like using such a high pick there for that.
Agreed. I didn't like the pick initially. If the organization sees Escobar as a successor to Witten as the all-round TE and trusts in his development then I have zero qualms.

It also fit the narrative at the time that we were going to emulate the Patriots in using a the "12" or 2 TE 1 RB sets as a primary formation. No one wants to see Rosario as a starter on their football team.

I think in the end if Escobar develops into a starting TE this draft will have been a major success.
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Our pass rush is going to be heavily reliant on JPP this year, unless somehow Tuck is miraculously healthy (doubt it) or Moore can give us something. Moore was actually killing it until he got hurt. Now who knows.

I think we're stout at DT as far as run stuffers go, but we lack pass rushers on the inside as well.

Still like our DL overall though. I think it'll work out. Linebackers is an entirely different story.
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