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Old 05-26-2013, 01:49 AM    (permalink
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People forget that Brady was a damn good college QB at Michigan and played his best in the biggest games.
He was written off because he was rail thin, didn't have a cannon arm and couldn't outrun his shadow.

Someone should have taken a chance on Brady before the 6th round.
Wouldn't you agree that "rail thin", "not-a-cannon-arm" and "slow" are all the opposite of what people tend to think of as upside though?
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People forget that Brady was a damn good college QB at Michigan and played his best in the biggest games.
He was written off because he was rail thin, didn't have a cannon arm and couldn't outrun his shadow.

Someone should have taken a chance on Brady before the 6th round.

The above description also made it very difficult to suggest the greatness that would follow. He was only drafted in round 6 because Michigan had a good record for producing pro QB's.
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Brady was basically a 2nd string QB at Michigan until the starter signed a baseball contract and turned pro. He was an after thought in the draft because he couldn't even beat out the starter on his college team.
He split a lot of time with Drew Henson at Michigan, but Brady was the starter.
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I think the majority of the time his arm won't be an issue, however throwing the ball efforlessy down the field doesn't equate to having a strong or even adequate arm. It's the throws he needs to put on a rope that get to their target through a small window without giving the DBs a chance to break on the ball I feel he can struggle with.

Again though, there are many QBs starting, and playing at an extremely high level, who can't make all the throws. Not everyone needs an arm like Flacco, Stafford or Cutler, and in fact sometimes having a cannon can be a detriment to some QBs.

When evaluating QBs personally arm strength isn't in the top 3 or 4 traits I look for. Bridgewater seems to have very good accuracy, good and quick decision making, good footwork and by all accounts good leadership. He is my top prospect at the position and one of my top prospects at this early stage, however I don't believe he is this can't miss franchise QB prospect that some make him out to be
I'd have to disagree to an extent. The first thing a scout looks for in a QB is at least an average pro arm, without that, his chances for success at the next level is minimal. Once the arm issue is off the concern list, then the other traits come into play to determine future success.
The arm strength won't make you a pro QB but without it, you chances of being a starting pro QB are pretty close to nil.
As for Bridgewater, he has a pro arm, how good it is, I'm not sure at this point but it is strong enough to take that concern off the table. For him, it will be the rest which will determine how high he is picked.
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He split a lot of time with Drew Henson at Michigan, but Brady was the starter.
Your right for his last 2 years but he did zero before that.
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Your right for his last 2 years but he did zero before that.
When he backed up former second round pick Brian Griese.
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Yeah, Brady fell so far into the draft because of physical limitations. That's pretty much it.

He was a very good quarterback at Michigan. He did split time with Drew Henson, but it wasn't to the extent that some peoples' selective memory is leading them to believe. He still started every game as a junior and senior. He finished his career with the second and third most single season passing yards in school history. He finished with the third most career completions and the top two single seasons in completions.
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Teddy is the next big Ben.
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The problem is what upside sounds like. When people hear upside, they think "growth" - in that sense of the word, upside can't be calculated. Tom Brady, technically, had HUGE upside. But when he was drafted, no one really said "wow, great pick for the Patriots - this guy is a project who could be a future HoFer". Brady didn't even have the amazing physical tools that are usually associated with it.

The problem is that every player can technically grow and mature into better players than they were in college. If we're going to look at it logically, any player who devotes himself to the game has HUGE upside. On the flip side of that, just because you devote yourself to the game, it doesn't guarantee you'll have success.

However, people mainly use upside to refer to players who are abnormally athletic, physically gifted (height being a big one here, but wingspan and such as well), strong or fast for their position.

at least that's how I feel about it :P
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Teddy is the next big Ben.
Big differance in size and velocity there. If i had to come up with a comparison on the upside i'd probably say Jim Kelly.
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Teddy is the next big Ben.
I don't see this at all. Big Ben is a much bigger and stronger guy with superior arm strength and downfield throwing ability.

I'm a huge Teddy fan, but that one doesn't make sense to me.
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I've always thought he and Geno Smith were similar tools wise, except Bridgewater is coming from a better situation scheme wise and has all of the intangibles that Smith lacks.
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I think Teddy is "OK" as a first round QB prospect.
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The QBs from the 2013 class suffered from "inconsistencies" and I see the same thing from Bridgewater. The game against Florida was nice. That's when the hype really started. But I watched his game against Connecticut and he is not a 1st round QB there. Inconsistent against Rutgers, showing accuracy and then missing several throws. He did not have to do much against North Carolina because his receivers were wide open against blown coverages. Maybe he is getting more hype than he deserves because he still is not under the microscope.
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He was playing on one leg against Rutgers who also had a great defense.
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Is he clearly a better prospect than Hundley from UCLA?
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Wouldn't you agree that "rail thin", "not-a-cannon-arm" and "slow" are all the opposite of what people tend to think of as upside though?
No one wants an easily knocked down QB who floats passes and is a statue in the pocket anymore.
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I've always thought he and Geno Smith were similar tools wise, except Bridgewater is coming from a better situation scheme wise and has all of the intangibles that Smith lacks.
From a purely physical tools perspective, I don't think there is a huge gap between smith and bridgewater. That's about it.

Teddy is leaps and bounds better on the mental side of things. I've gotten time to watch him some more, and some of what he does looks effortless. He's a top 3 pick almost certainly.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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Imo, the sole true first round caliber QB unless Bortles declares. It's going to get real interesting if ATL somehow ends up with the #1.
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Imo, the sole true first round caliber QB unless Bortles declares. It's going to get real interesting if ATL somehow ends up with the #1.
Derek Carr probably has a better skill set than both guys you mentioned.
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So, I'll say this. He's like Brett Favre or Chad Pennington kinda QB. He's similar to Jason Campbell and Jay Cutler. He's like Vince Young and Peyton Manning.
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