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Old 09-03-2013, 12:15 AM    (permalink
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Really impressed with Winston as a player, but from a scouting perspective, he's got some wonky mechanics.
You can tell he trusts his arm strength which will eventually get him into trouble. ie. Stafford and Cutler.
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Sucks for him if that's true.

That's a year of eligibility down the drain for basically nothing with his redshirt already burnt. If I'm up to date on the archaic NCAA transfer rules, that means he effectively has a single year of eligibility if he can't overload and graduate this year. Really hope the NCAA implements broader exceptions. The rules for transfers are completely ******.
What's more frustrating is that athletes in other sports are eligible to compete immediately after transferring. I, for the life of me, can't wrap my head around the NCAA's logic behind singling athletes in revenue sports.

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Q: Why do football and basketball players have to sit out a year after they transfer?

A: The year-in-residence is required to help student-athletes adjust to their new school and ensure that their transfer was motivated by academics as well as athletics. Student-athletes who participate in most NCAA sports are eligible for a one-time transfer exception, which allows them to compete immediately after transfer once in their college experience if they meet all other transfer requirements (such as being academically eligible).

However, student-athletes in sports that are historically academically underperforming – including basketball, football, baseball and men’s ice hockey – are not eligible for the exception. Though student-athletes in these sports can’t compete in their first year at their new school, they can receive an athletics scholarship and practice with the team. A waiver process is available to all student-athletes, and each waiver request is reviewed individually. From April 2011 to April 2012, the NCAA approved 91 transfer waivers and denied 71.

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What's more frustrating is that athletes in other sports are eligible to compete immediately after transferring. I, for the life of me, can't wrap my head around the NCAA's logic behind singling athletes in revenue sports.

From the NCAA website:

Q: Why do football and basketball players have to sit out a year after they transfer?

A: The year-in-residence is required to help student-athletes adjust to their new school and ensure that their transfer was motivated by academics as well as athletics. Student-athletes who participate in most NCAA sports are eligible for a one-time transfer exception, which allows them to compete immediately after transfer once in their college experience if they meet all other transfer requirements (such as being academically eligible).

However, student-athletes in sports that are historically academically underperforming Ė including basketball, football, baseball and menís ice hockey Ė are not eligible for the exception. Though student-athletes in these sports canít compete in their first year at their new school, they can receive an athletics scholarship and practice with the team. A waiver process is available to all student-athletes, and each waiver request is reviewed individually. From April 2011 to April 2012, the NCAA approved 91 transfer waivers and denied 71.
The football rule is just sexist.
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Winston gives FSU legit NC aspirations this year.
I don't think I've ever seen a first year starter look as good as Winston did.

FInally a QB with the talent level to exploit all those athletes the Seminoles have at wideout.

IMO this kid looks better than good already.
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Winston gives FSU legit NC aspirations this year.
I don't think I've ever seen a first year starter look as good as Winston did.

FInally a QB with the talent level to exploit all those athletes the Seminoles have at wideout.

IMO this kid looks better than good already.
He's got the luxury of it being his second year in the program and having and excellant supporting cast around him. Not sure what that was he was going against in terms of defense. When you come to the realization you can't cover you might want to put pressure on the QB.
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He's got the luxury of it being his second year in the program and having and excellant supporting cast around him. Not sure what that was he was going against in terms of defense. When you come to the realization you can't cover you might want to put pressure on the QB.
A Top 20 defense from 2012 that returned 8 or 9 starters. Other than Florida and maaaaaaaaaybe Maryland, that is likely the best defense FSU sees this season.
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A Top 20 defense from 2012 that returned 8 or 9 starters. Other than Florida and maaaaaaaaaybe Maryland, that is likely the best defense FSU sees this season.
Then more power to FSU because that defense looked terrible. Guys were wide open all night.
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Then more power to FSU because that defense looked terrible. Guys were wide open all night.
It could be that in 2012 that Pittsburgh had a big statistical benefit from playing in the Big East. They were just 6-7, but should have beaten Notre Dame and played Louisville tough (45-35). They are by no means Alabama or LSU out there on defense, but well they are probably in the top third of ACC defenses.

I also think it is a bit of a testament to how athletically gifted our WRs are out there. Matching up with Rashad Greene and Kelvin Benjamin is a nightmare for any DC.
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Really impressed with Winston as a player, but from a scouting perspective, he's got some wonky mechanics.
It's really too early to tell for a lot of that stuff. Let's get some more game action and see if he cleans it up in a year. I do agree though, it wasn't all conventional.
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It's really too early to tell for a lot of that stuff. Let's get some more game action and see if he cleans it up in a year. I do agree though, it wasn't all conventional.
The difference between him and some other QB's with funky mechanics, like say Manziel or Tebow, is that Winston at Scott Van Pelt said last night, has a hand cannon whereas their arms are college average at best.
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The difference between him and some other QB's with funky mechanics, like say Manziel or Tebow, is that Winston at Scott Van Pelt said last night, has a hand cannon whereas their arms are college average at best.
Well, we have the luxury of not having to figure it out after one game. We've got two full slates of games before he's even eligible. He didn't show anything super concerning last night though. The fact that he's as athletic as he is gives him a bit of additional leeway mechanically as well. If you get the ball out quick and high, then the rest doesn't really matter a ton provided you can make it work.
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The reason FSU wide receivers were so open is because the Pitt DBs were scared of them. They gave all those WRs cushions and rightly so; too much speed and athleticism. Not exactly the kind of guys you want to press at the LOS.

The more experience Winston gets, the deadlier those WRs are going to be.
In the past the Seminoles have had spectacular athletes at WR, but guys like Ponder and Manuel couldn't tap their abilities or improve their games IMO.

Winston is the type of guy I think is going to make WRs get better.
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The reason FSU wide receivers were so open is because the Pitt DBs were scared of them. They gave all those WRs cushions and rightly so; too much speed and athleticism. Not exactly the kind of guys you want to press at the LOS.

The more experience Winston gets, the deadlier those WRs are going to be.
In the past the Seminoles have had spectacular athletes at WR, but guys like Ponder and Manuel couldn't tap their abilities or improve their games IMO.

Winston is the type of guy I think is going to make WRs get better.
This statement is very true for E.J. Manuel, but not at all for Christian Ponder. He never had a talent like Rashad Greene or Kelvin Benjamin to throw the ball to. But with him at QB, Richard Goodman and Rod Owens had good seasons and made their way to NFL rosters and Willie Haulstead had his best year. Ponder also had Jarmon Fortson, but he got kicked off the team before he could really emerge as an elite talent.
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A Top 20 defense from 2012 that returned 8 or 9 starters. Other than Florida and maaaaaaaaaybe Maryland, that is likely the best defense FSU sees this season.
6 returning starters. Well, 7 but DE TJ Clemmings is now the starting RT.

Alot of the depth has left the team or been demoted due to behavior.

DT - Aaron Donald
DT - Tyron Ezell
LB - Shane Gordon
CB - Lafayette Pitts
CB - K'Waun Williams
SS - Ray Vinopal
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Seeing how Michigan's backup RB got hurt, I really question the wisdom of having the second team RB on kick coverage teams.
Although Drake Johnson was technically listed as #2 on the depth chart, it was just a matter of time before Derrick Green and/or De'Veon Smith surpassed him. Michigan was four (or five?) deep at running back to start the season.
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It's really too early to tell for a lot of that stuff. Let's get some more game action and see if he cleans it up in a year. I do agree though, it wasn't all conventional.
True, he's got at least two seasons to improve, and he could also easily be the type of player who still succeeds regardless of mechanics. But he often holds the ball low and his release is pretty slow, which are definite concerns as of now.
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