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Old 09-24-2013, 09:47 AM    (permalink
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I want Baas cut. I'd prefer to cut Snee too, but I know that will never happen bc of the connection to Coughlin.

Boothe I don't mind as a reliable backup but he has no business being a starter.

The problem is, you can't call 1-800-LINEMAN and get a replacement. We have to do it in the offseason.

Maybe sign a FA OLmen, and draft 1 or 2 and hope that fixes everything.

We have to be players in FA. Unless we're resigned to a 2 year rebuilding project. Bc we can't fix this team in one offseason. Not enough draft picks.
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Jacobs is our 3rd RB. It's not like hes taking a spot from someone.
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10 carries for him is far too many the past two games. Not to mention just the times he's been on the field. He sucks so badly.
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Ehhh that's the least of our problems right now.
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Keep having terrible opinions on everything Forenci. Tell your boy Beatty to stop sucking. That UConn POS.
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Having that said, I'm eyeing some UConn players in the draft this year. They have talent on that defense. Sio Moore wasn't the only good player on that defense.

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We need to steal a C from Cleveland again. Adding Mack to our interior would be huge, with him in the middle Booty and Snee could be fine guards, add a 2nd or 3rd round pick to battle Mosley and them and our OL will be much improved.
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I feel like next year we should just throw a bunch of "washed up veterans" minimum deals. One of them should play well for a year. We won't get enough long term answers in one season even if we draft great.

I saw Gurode on the sideline for the Raiders last night. Does he start? He'd have to be an upgrade for us and I'm sure he didn't get payed a lot. Players like that.
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We need a FA OLmen, whether it's a top tier G or C, and a 2nd round (ideally) G or C.

I love drafting Centers bc they hold just great value in the draft. Name the last 1st round bust at Center? You can't. They're all money.

But I want to save our 1st round pick for a pass rusher.

In a perfect world:

1. Pass rusher
2. OLmen
3. LB

That would be ideal for me.
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That's what I want, if we have the money to go into FA and bring in an Alex Mack, adding a day two OL would turn our OL around in a season. Pugh, Mack and Beatty is a trio that it's very easy to put together an excellent OL around.

With our first and other second day pick we get a LB, DB or pass rusher, and this team would be stacked again.
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We need a FA OLmen, whether it's a top tier G or C, and a 2nd round (ideally) G or C.

I love drafting Centers bc they hold just great value in the draft. Name the last 1st round bust at Center? You can't. They're all money.

But I want to save our 1st round pick for a pass rusher.

In a perfect world:

1. Pass rusher
2. OLmen
3. LB

That would be ideal for me.
Mmm. I disagree with that a bit. My priority right now is probably:

1. OLinemen
2. Safety
3. Pass rusher

I want a safety in the first two rounds.
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Mmm. I disagree with that a bit. My priority right now is probably:

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3. Pass rusher

I want a safety in the first two rounds.
I want Jarius Byrd as well in FA so I didn't include safety on my list. We have to be big players in FA this year. I say we go after Byrd and Mack (and extend JPP and Nicks) and then go after OL and defense in the draft.
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We could use a CB even if we sign byrd. That's why I'd be cool with the BPA at either DE, DB or LB with our other high picks.
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If Joe Haden is available, I'd throw the bank at him. I LOVE Joe Haden.
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Haden's still got some time on his contract and not even the Browns would be dumb enough to trade him. It's a good thing I'm not in JR's shoes cause if that ever happened I'd give up a silly amount of picks to get him. But yeah if we could trade for Haden and sign Mack and Byrd we'd be insanely good even without any draft picks.
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Eh, I feel like you just can't factor in getting certain free agents in this case. You just don't know how the market will go. That's why I'd place safety still as a high draft need.
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I know this is old news but...

With how terrible our LB situation was, why didn't we kick the tires off of Daryl Smith again?

Can anyone figure that out for me?
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Eh, I feel like you just can't factor in getting certain free agents in this case. You just don't know how the market will go. That's why I'd place safety still as a high draft need.
Yeah but FA comes before the draft. So by the time the draft rolls around we'll have a better idea of what our needs are.

For now it's safe to say when you scout college players, just scout all of them outside of QB.
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Eh, I feel like you just can't factor in getting certain free agents in this case. You just don't know how the market will go. That's why I'd place safety still as a high draft need.
If we have the money and are willing to go after him, I think we'd be heavy favorites to bring Byrd over to the other side of NY state. He originally broke out under Fewell and always gushed about him. It's certainly no lock, but of all these dream moves that's one I think could be actually very likely.
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We're going to have over 20 new faces on our 53 man roster in 2014. You only have 7 draft picks. We're pretty much going to have to be players in FA even if we don't prefer to be.

I personally don't like FA and believe in the draft, but when you have that many holes, you don't really have a choice.
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Honestly, I really feel like our LB situation isn't that bad. J-Will has made a lot of really nice plays. Herzlich hasn't been that bad, really, and he's a back up so what can be done? Heck, Rivers has looked really good too - although you can't rely upon him for much due to injury issues. I'm not that concerned. That said, it CERTAINLY could be improved a lot. I'm much more worried about safety. Rolle is an in the box safety. Mundy is crap. I have little to zero faith in Hill or Brown, assuming they are back next year.
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Honestly, even though the scores don't reflect it, I think our back 7 has played above my expectations on defense.

It's just not noticeable bc of how terrible the front 4 has been. And that's mostly bc Tuck is washed up, and JPP is hurt. JPP's injury is hurting us. We knew before the season started that Kiwi was a JAG pass rusher, we knew before the season started that we cannot rely on Tuck. So our pass rush hopes relied totally on JPP, the 2 young DEs (Ojomo and Tracy), and Moore.

Well Tracy and Ojomo were worse than we thought, JPP had back surgery, and Moore got hurt. So our pass rush has been invisible as a result.

Now having that said, I do expect it to come around eventually (once JPP gets his legs back and Moore gets to see the field), but is it too little too late? Who knows.

We all expected this offense to carry the defense and it hasn't been able to do that at all.
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Snee and Baas MRIs. I think Baas might be the worst FA signing for us since the days of Mitchell, Barrett green and Carlos Emmons. Is this china doll ever healthy? Snee is done, just like Tuck is done. We need to give this team an enema.

We need to draft OL. I never seen an OL play so poorly for us since 2003, Fasshole era, which led to Eli being drafted. I still remember how the knock was he can't block anyone. How can you not run block? Now you can't pass block! WTF? What good are you people? Like I said Reese and Ross better hit a home run this draft. Stop with the project players PLEASE!
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No, Herzlich has been AWFUL. There's no defending him. At all
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Not saying you guys don't have a chance to turn things around. You very well could. But it's actually pretty common to see teams coming off recent Super Bowl wins to face a rapid collapse. Normally due to guys getting signed for big money elsewhere, stars aging, and combined with the fact that those teams pick late in each round of the draft.

I think your best bet is to tank this year, have a great draft, release dead weight, make some trades (Eli, JPP could net a huge haul) and make a key FA signing or two. Follow the Colts pattern. ie. Trade Eli to the Vikings or Raiders for mutliple picks. Otherwise, I have a feeling it might be a while before the Giants are truly competitive again. I think some coaching changes are due as well.

Otherwise your climb back might take decades if you try to salvage something that's not there. The Cowboys faced their decline after the 90s SBs and we haven't done **** since. We never pulled the right strings.
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