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Old 09-29-2013, 07:12 PM    (permalink
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Patriots Inactives:

LB Steve Beauharnais
DE Jake Bequette
RB Leon Washington
G Chris Barker
TE Rob Gronkowski
WR Danny Amendola
WR Matthew Slater

Falcons Inactives:

CB Asante Samuel
S Kemal Ishmael
LB Jamar Chaney
RB Steven Jackson
OL Harland Gunn
OT Ryan Schraeder
DT Travian Robertson

Samuel being out is the only real surprise and is a pretty decent draw for us. We need all the help we can get in the passing game and avoiding turnovers.
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I don't have the book and was copying the wording from a CBS article. Not sure if it was correct or even if Holley took license at some point or something, but that's the wording I found. Sorry if it was inaccurate. Not my intent to skew anything.

At the very least, he whiffed on Baldwin. I did too...but yeah.
Wasn't trying to single you out, just trying to clarify ... but your larger observations are quite valid IMO. :)
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Wasn't trying to single you out, just trying to clarify ... but your larger observations are quite valid IMO. :)
No, absolutely. Wording is important there.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...75988/33267302

That was the article I was sourcing for the wording.

I've actually almost bought War Room several times....worth a read?
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I think so, gives some insights into our draft process and decisions (some of which are a bit infuriating heh.)
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Defense bailing us out again. Wow
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I don't know how the hell we can't get an inch. Then Talib bails us out. Christ. Somehow we are 4-0 with a gimpy (read injuries) team. That's amazing.
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4-0. You better Talib it.
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We need help offensively in the worst way however, cant emphasize it enough.
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LOL too awesome EE.

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It's getting better. It's gotten better each week. I don't really look at it as a bad thing, especially since they're winning. The weapons available once Amendola and Gronk come back will be impressive.
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So that was a pretty cool win huh?

What if I told you I had a way to piss all over it instantly?

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/09/3...-over-falcons/

****.

Only one source right now, but this is not what you wanted to hear coming out of that. Hate to say it, but this is exactly the kind of thing you don't want happening to a guy with Wilfork's frame in their 30's either.

Still holding out hope that the report is erroneous. Seemed to be more of his foot, but it's getting some traction. Beyond even losing a player of his caliber, we're going to be dealing with some pretty significant depth issues. We're super thin at that position. Vellano has played very well in spots, but it's tough to feel good about this situation.
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Luckily, Kyle Love is still a free agent...no idea how.
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Yikes.
Richard Seymour?
Browns have a surplus of defensive tackles.

Here's a list of free agent DTs

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And we akl asked what would happen if Wilfork went down by kicking Love and Deadrick to the curb. God dammit I hate this season. Watch the broncos go 18-0 and Manning break Bradys TD record too.
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Great win, but Vince :(
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There are a lot of good run stuffing DT's on the market like Love, Seymour, and Pouha. Whether any of them would be willing to play for the Pats is another question.

Tbh this actually brings up a really sad question about Wilfork after this season. Could we have seen the last of Wilfork in a Pats uniform? He's on the books for 11 million next season in the last year of his deal with an $8 million salary. Run stuffing DT's are kind of like fish out of water in today's NFL, and I honestly think at $11 million Vince would be a bit overpayed considering what he brings. Not to mention he's a 33 year old 350+lb DT who isn't going to be able to do much conditioning for awhile. That's a really dangerous position to be in.

That salary that he's making essentially pays for Talib, and would allow us to be a bit more aggressive on other and our own free agents. I thought a DT would be in play early for us anyways, and a lot depends on how Vellano and Armstead play the rest of the way.
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I was going to ask that. 32 isn't that old for a lineman, but an ACL is just such a devastating injury, especially for a man his size. Vince has a lot going on outside football, too. Man what a sucky year on the injury front. :/
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There are a lot of good run stuffing DT's on the market like Love, Seymour, and Pouha. Whether any of them would be willing to play for the Pats is another question.

Tbh this actually brings up a really sad question about Wilfork after this season. Could we have seen the last of Wilfork in a Pats uniform? He's on the books for 11 million next season in the last year of his deal with an $8 million salary. Run stuffing DT's are kind of like fish out of water in today's NFL, and I honestly think at $11 million Vince would be a bit overpayed considering what he brings. Not to mention he's a 33 year old 350+lb DT who isn't going to be able to do much conditioning for awhile. That's a really dangerous position to be in.

That salary that he's making essentially pays for Talib, and would allow us to be a bit more aggressive on other and our own free agents. I thought a DT would be in play early for us anyways, and a lot depends on how Vellano and Armstead play the rest of the way.
Certainly not something I want to deal with, but I guess that's the hand we're dealt.

For what it's worth, an ACL appears to have ended Hampton's career. He was a few years older and always seemed to be more 'sloppy' in terms of build, but the concern is fairly real. I think he can come back, but this is likely the beginning of the end for Wilfork. I hope I'm wrong and maybe he does come back full strength, but yeah. Something to be concerned about going forward as well.

Hurts our defense in a lot of ways, obviously. Vince doesn't get the credit he deserves as a pass rusher either. Those days were starting to come to a close for Vince anyway, but he still occupied space and freed up other guys. There's going to be a real scramble to replace him. Hopefully Armond Armstead figures out how to stay healthy on US soil. I think we'll probably find a way to get through this, but we're going to need huge contributions from everyone at that position. Vellano has played real well so far and Kelly has been good too...but we'll see. In the short term, I think Forston will likely be getting word of a promotion soon.
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I seriously would love having Seymour back tho. Not going to happen but it would be pretty fantastic.
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Seymour is easily one of my favorite Patriots of all time. I would love to see him back, but it doesn't sound like he wants to be here at this point. It will be interesting to see what we do really. We're a very different front seven without Wilfork on the field. Not sure if we try to fight that or embrace it and go with someone who will push the pocket more.
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I hate how things ended with Seymour because he is one of my favorite Pats ever. He is never coming back here.
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There are a lot of good run stuffing DT's on the market like Love, Seymour, and Pouha. Whether any of them would be willing to play for the Pats is another question.

Tbh this actually brings up a really sad question about Wilfork after this season. Could we have seen the last of Wilfork in a Pats uniform? He's on the books for 11 million next season in the last year of his deal with an $8 million salary. Run stuffing DT's are kind of like fish out of water in today's NFL, and I honestly think at $11 million Vince would be a bit overpayed considering what he brings. Not to mention he's a 33 year old 350+lb DT who isn't going to be able to do much conditioning for awhile. That's a really dangerous position to be in.

That salary that he's making essentially pays for Talib, and would allow us to be a bit more aggressive on other and our own free agents. I thought a DT would be in play early for us anyways, and a lot depends on how Vellano and Armstead play the rest of the way.
Yeah, that could have been his last game with the Pats. A guy that size is not going to recover from an injury like that in time to start next season.

As pointed out, there are a lot of options for the Pats going forward. I'd move Tommy Kelly inside.
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On the brightside, Talib is hilarious.

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I also want to point out Spikes noticeable absence last night. He was barely in.
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