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I actually expect us to win most of these preseason games because Campbell and Hoyer are experienced guys and should show well against 2nd/3rd teamers.

I'm almost as excited to get a look at the Rams, frankly. The WVU duo and RB Richardson on offense and Ogletree, Mcdonald with Brockers and Quinn on defense.

At RB, I'm curious to see if the Sproles -Dion Lewis comparisons are legit.

Ready to get a look at Bademosi at S. Excelled at special teams last year and now stepping up competing to start. Makes me fondly remember Bodden.

Also be looking closely at DE Bryant in his new role, if he plays.

Offensively...there's a small part of Weeden/Gordon that is reminiscent of Stafford/Johnson. I'm anxious to see if there are any signs they're heading that way.
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From a schematic perspective, I liked a lot of what I saw. Iím still confident the skeleton of success is in-place. First and foremost, I thought the defensive effort was admirable. For three quarters, the Browns defense did an outstanding job of keeping the team in the game despite a few turnovers and a couple short fields. Considering the absence of Rubin, the front seven was awesome. I think their performance against Miamiís rushing attack is somewhat of an outlier, but I expect this team to be much stouter and tougher. Gaining traction in the ground game wonít be simple. I liked some of the blitz packages. Intrigued to see where Mingo fits into the pressure scheme once he returns from his bruised lung. Overall, the defense bottled Dolphin backs and forced Tannehill to beat us. And he did. He was patient, took what the defense gave him, and then made a handful of great anticipation throws when the opportunities presented themselves. If there are weaknesses to glean from Week 1, itís that the Browns might need three new starters in the defensive backfield. Skrine is not an NFL starter. He has NFL tools, but it just isnít clicking. Heís still getting lost and then turning into one of the grabbiest corners in the league. I know itís a new defense Ė and heíll get some time to acclimate and develop in the new scheme Ė but Iíd feel more comfortable with him as a sub-package corner at this point. Gipson is still unproven. Ward is a limited free agent-to-be. His asking price will determine his future with the Browns.

On offense, I was quite pleased to see the pistol formation. The belief that a mobile quarterback is required to run the pistol is one of the biggest casual misnomers in football. The pistol is a formational compromise. It gives greater depth to the quarterback without sacrificing power running concepts. In fact, I wouldnít mind seeing more of the pistol and diamond. I thought the running game looked most dangerous out of a full house backfield.

That said, the offense was complete garbage.

For starters, the offensive line was horrendous. Iíve moaned about the usage of shield blockers in the past, but those wouldíve been upgrades last week. I donít see how Oneil Cousins holds onto his job. That was one of the most dreadful performances Iíve ever seen from someone in the NFL. He was getting beat inside. He was getting beat outside. He was getting nowhere on pulls. He was getting flags thrown on him all afternoon. It was tough to watch. Schwartz had a rough outing as well, but I can stomach that better. He was often stranded against one of the best pass rushers in the NFL in Cameron Wake. The Browns have put a bunch of bad tape together in recent seasons. I canít recall a worse one from a protection perspective though.

The offensive lineís disastrous performance trickled down to the running game, too. There wasnít much available over the right side of the line. His blockers killed his momentum and the Dolphins often had a cage waiting. Yes, Trent could have better vision in certain situations, but a runner canít stop his guard from being blown back into him at the snap. Our right side couldnít even hold the line of scrimmage on a consistent basis. Forget moving it. We spent valuable resources on Richardson. If we want to maximize that value, we need to invest in a mover or two. For now, I think itís two-pronged. One, running the ball from some of the formations that Norv showed on the first two drives. Two, designing offense that gets Trent in space.

As far as Weeden goes, I admire his competitiveness and toughness. But I was, again, underwhelmed with him as a quarterback. The game still appears too fast for him. Even when he had time to throw, he bird-dogged and dragged through progressions. The first interception wasnít excusable. He read single-high against two deep routes and locked onto Benjamin from the snap and forced the throw. No head movement or manipulation. Then he threw the ball toward the sideline against a corner that had outside position on his 5-10, 170 lbs. receiver. Benjamin isnít fighting across a much bigger corner to get to that ball. You have to know that Benjamin isnít Gordon. Given the position of the corner, and the inside position of the rotating centerfielder, that ball needs to be thrown where Benjamin runs under it or no one gets to it. And I wouldnít absolve him of all blame for the other interceptions either. His fastball floated. Both passes were catchable, sure, but both throws could have been better, too.

In terms of receivers, I was pleased with Jordan Cameronís emergence. Weíve talked about Chud and Norvís desire to attack defenses with tight ends. Cameron made some acrobatic catches and created nice separation, so hereís hoping he continues to progress as a receiver. Greg Littleís game was Greg Little in a microcosm. He made a nice catch on the opening drive on a slant with Brent Grimes challenging him, then the concentration issues crept back up. Benjamin is a return specialist. We need Gordon. Heís the coverage-changer on the outside. Norv needs those receivers to keep the intermediate and deep parts of his gameplan firing.
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Yeah.

I don't understand how Chud can immediately declare Cousins will continue to start. I'm genuinely wondering if it can get any worse than him. I never thought I would miss Pinky or Lava. I think Schwartz is actually capable of bouncing back from a poor performance. So, unless Chud gets fed up with Trent fighting to the death for two yards on first down, we're going to continue to witness the worst starter on an offensive line in the NFL.

And as far as Weeden, he's absolutely clueless against the blitz. I understand his interior line is putrid but still, even when we would hold off a blitz he still fails to find open receivers. I just don't think he has it, like at all. Unless you really think it's lack of acclimation to the scheme. He's hard to watch though.

I really like Desmond Bryant, by the way.
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Yeah, I donít think the offense is hindering his development or holding him back.

This scheme suits Weedenís skill set. I think thatís part of the reason coaches and management didnít pull the trigger on E.J. Manuel at six. Weeden has arm talent. He can make all of the deep and intermediate throws in this offense. At this point, I just think heís too much of a one-read quarterback. When Weeden hits the top of his drop and his first read is open, heís capable of ripping it and throwing strikes. That said, he still hasnít shown heís capable of being fluid through his progressions. Sure, some of that can be attributed to being unfamiliar with Chud and Norvís offense, but I trust that Turner didnít ask him to process an unreasonable amount. It was the first game of his sophomore season and heís learning his second scheme in sixteen months. I expect some improvement in that area. There are other aspects of Weedenís quarterbacking that are lacking though.

To begin with, Tannehill threw with much better anticipation. And this is someone who came into the NFL as an inexperienced collegiate signal-caller and a member of the same draft class. Yet heís come quite far in terms of head movement and validating safeties. Heís more natural than Weeden. Tannehill had a handful of nice passes where he manipulated defenders or threw his receiver open. Weeden struggled in that area.

On back-to-back snaps on the first series of the first quarter, Weeden stared down his receiver and made a pair of errors. On second down, the Browns came out in a closed two-tight end set to the field side. Little was split out wide. Cameron was inside, Barnridge was outside. The Dolphins were in a 4-3 Under with a single-high shell. At the snap, Little ran a stick comeback route. Cameron pressed his vertical route outside before cutting back into the seam. Barnridge released into the left flat with the strong-side linebacker. For all intents and purposes, Barnridge is a covered check-down, leaving Little and Cameron. Little broke toward the sideline with Patterson in coverage. Cameron took Ellerbe toward the sideline before breaking past him when the MIKE peaked into the backfield. Weeden decided to throw it to Little. Because Weeden stared him down, the decision resulted in a pass breakup from Patterson, but it couldíve been much worse. You canít be late when throwing outside in the NFL. (As an aside, Cameron broke free of his coverage and gave Weeden a deeper, more open target that he neglected.)

The next snap was the first interception. Another single-high, robber-esque look. The offensive call included two deep routes. Benjamin on one side, Little on the other. Weeden snapped the ball and locked on Benjamin this time. He threw it toward the sideline (because of the rotating centerfielder, if I had to guess) when Benjaminís man had outside position on him. The result was an interception. Weeden has to understand the situation. Benjamin is 5-10, 170 lbs. Nolan Carroll is 6-1, 205 lbs. Benjamin isnít in a great position to fight for that ball. If heís going to stare the receiver down, that ball needs to be thrown where Benjamin runs under it or no one does.

That said, if Weeden wouldíve looked off the centerfielder, he wouldíve created some room for himself to throw that ball to Benjamin inside. Freezing safeties in the middle of the field is a critical component of NFL quarterbacking. Trust the pre-snap information. It is one-on-one coverage on the outside. Thatís a shot chance. So take advantage of it. Donít leave points on the field. Use some head movement and widen the throwing window. That isnít a scheme issue. Thatís a positional issue.

There are other examples, but Iím ranting again. Thereís just nuances that I donít see Weeden mastering (or even improving). And his game under pressure does still leave a lot to be desired, too.
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How did McFadden look?

I hope he pans out and becomes at least a good nickel. I played with him in HS and he was pretty cool.
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I hope he pans out and becomes at least a good nickel. I played with him in HS and he was pretty cool.
McFadden suited up, but I donít think he registered a defensive snap. Haden, Owens, and Skrine were the three cornerbacks the Browns used. McFadden was relegated to special team duties. He made a solo tackle as part of the coverage unit though.

McFadden is in a tough position. He missed the first two preseason games and then struggled for stretches of the next two. His limited reps affected him, I think. Heís experiencing the expected growing pains of a rookie cornerback. Now that the grind of the regular season has started, heís facing an uphill battle to break into the group above him. Barring injuries, I would be somewhat surprised if he even cracked the rotation before Week 6 or so. Although, Skrine was quite undisciplined in Week 1. If heís beaten and/or flagged at the same rate in the next few games, the coaching staff might just give McFadden a chance to show what he can do. That depends on how McFadden performs in positional meetings and practice. I trust that Horton will handle his development in an appropriate manner.
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Finally got a chance to rewatch and breakdown the first game.

It's a mixed bag with BW. Two of the three picks were not good throws. The first pick I give him a pass on because he was being hit by a free blitzer. I think that made the pass shorter than intended for TB and forced him to try and fight Carroll for the ball. If he's not hit I think he lays it out more for TB to try and run under it.

The 2nd pick was not as much a terrible throw but a terrible decision. 3rd and 2 and he rifles a pass a bit high to Little on a crosser who's still a yard or so from the 1st while Bess... is running an opposite crosser and is WIDE open for easily a 10+yd gain. Even with great placement on the ball to Little it's not a given he can get the first. If his defender, who's right behind, makes a solid tackle, it's 50-50 whether he could've stretch for a 1st. Bess would have gotten a big chunk.

3rd pick is also just a terribly placed throw. Rifled high and slightly behind Cameron.

But he did overcome those first half picks and made his best throw of the game on the most decisive possession of the game, only for TB to drop it. Down 13 - 10 with about 12 left in the 4th, Browns driving for a go ahead score, he makes a beautiful 20yd+ pass to Benjamin who can't hold on. Huge play. He then can't hit Trent on a great called screen that would have gotten a huge chunk. Wake gets great pressure and forces BW to throw early but he still should have been able to dump it to a wide open Trent behind his blocker. Dolphins take over and march down to go up 20-10 with under 4.00 left.

I did think there were some improvements in Weeden's game, though. I thought he moved better and threw under pressure slightly better then much of last season. Although, late in the 4th he starting getting the ball out late and he was hit while throwing on too many passes. But a good amount of that was on the Dolphins pressure and WRs not opening up sooner. His touch looked improved on a few throws.

After rewatching, I don't think the OL performed as bad as I thought initially. Most of the sacks were coverage sacks and heavy pressure because BW wasn't seeing anyone open. Schwartz had some wiffs but he'll play better. As will Thomas and Greco. Also don't think enough credit is going to the Dolphins line. They've been good and are poised to have an outstanding year. Cousins was bad, yes, and I'd like to see them work the rookie in there as well.

Most impressive was Cameron. He already looks better then a Greg Olsen. Curious to see if he can sustain that level of play and how defenses will start to play him.

Defensively they were impressive, save the decisive drive they gave up I mentioned earlier. But much of that was on Hartline, who eat up Owens on that drive. I've got a different take on Screen. I think he's steadily improving. His pi late was with Mia already in the red zone and likely prevented a TD pass. I'll take that. His TD he gave up to Hartline wasn't bad coverage-just a very well thrown ball. He plays bigger than his size as a tackler and he's quick and fast. His weakness is his size and he's leaning what he can can get away with to compensate.
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McFadden suited up, but I donít think he registered a defensive snap. Haden, Owens, and Skrine were the three cornerbacks the Browns used. McFadden was relegated to special team duties. He made a solo tackle as part of the coverage unit though.

McFadden is in a tough position. He missed the first two preseason games and then struggled for stretches of the next two. His limited reps affected him, I think. Heís experiencing the expected growing pains of a rookie cornerback. Now that the grind of the regular season has started, heís facing an uphill battle to break into the group above him. Barring injuries, I would be somewhat surprised if he even cracked the rotation before Week 6 or so. Although, Skrine was quite undisciplined in Week 1. If heís beaten and/or flagged at the same rate in the next few games, the coaching staff might just give McFadden a chance to show what he can do. That depends on how McFadden performs in positional meetings and practice. I trust that Horton will handle his development in an appropriate manner.
Sounds like a bit if a rough start but I'm sure he'll be solid.
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Hey guys. What's the consensus on Bobby Rainey? I picked him up in fantasy. After watching his W. Kentucky highlights, I think he has the potential to be a solid NFL running back. What do you all think?
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Haven't seen him other than a few kick returns so I have no idea. I'm not sure he even knows the offense yet.
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So Josh Gordon is on the block according to Adam SchefterÖ

I just donít know. Trading Trent was quite frustrating from a fan perspective, but there were latent sporting concerns. If John Settle didnít believe Trent was capable of developing better vision and/or the medical staff expressed concern about lingering injuries, then dealing him wasnít a disaster. A first-round choice isnít bad compensation for a running back. More so if the entire management team feels pessimistic about their long-term prospectus. Even if fans tend to overrate the return of draft picks. I donít know what compelled the Browns to make that trade, or the Colts for that matter, but it was possible to piece together some sense of it.

Short of doing enough drugs to kill Willie Nelson and making no effort to hide it, I donít understand their desire to deal Gordon. At all. Weíre talking about a 6-3, 225 lbs. receiver with legit 4.4 speed and a vertical jump over 35 inches. Those donít grow on trees. And weíve got one. On a team thatís starving for more offensive weapons. Plus, itís not like Gordon was unproductive. He posted 50/800/5 as a rookie. Receiver is one of the toughest spots to make an immediate impact because an NFL wide out has to be much sharper in the subtleties of the position than their college counterparts. Yet Gordon looked promising after knocking off the rust.

If true, itís clear that the Browns are open to adopting a slash-and-burn approach. Iím just not sure it was required.
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Keep Gordon. He's gonna be one of the best in the game before long. Cameron is a stud receiving TE too. Patch up that O-Line and find a long term franchise QB and we'll be on track. You can easily find a good starting runningback in the middle round or free agency.
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I think analyzing the run blocking is tricky. Play calling, decisiveness & burst of the runner, good run defenses, TE/FB blocking abilities, lack of credible receiving threats...it all plays a part. I tend to lean more toward the thinking that the run blocking on the line wasn't as bad as it appeared at times.

I feel like I already know who Little is. I'll be surprised if his play improves substantially. Gordon, Benjamin and Bess; I'm more excited about them. And Cameron is going to disappoint imo-I just don't see it there.

One of the moves I've heard about I'm really high on. Ogbonn to FB. If that sticks it's a great fit in the new offense.

Going back over a few full games from last year I'm actually pretty excited about Weeden. He did a lot of good things last year without a running game or credible receivers.

Gordon is kinda reminding me of Dez Bryant, as far as the raw ability married to off field concerns. Probably bound to be a little hiccup at some point. Hopefully this is the extent of it and he stays vigilant.
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I think a few teams would be happy if you guys didn't re-sign Alex Mack. Is there much chance of that happening? Any word on if a deal is being worked on?

And how good is he?
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I think it's very possible he's not resigned. I'd say 50/50 right now.
There's plenty of cap so it makes sense unless he's asking for a ton.
In short, he's solid not great. I think he's a better pass protector than run blocker.
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What a Gabbert-esque performance by Weeden against the Packers. He's regressing, from not great to downright awful.

I think the Hoyer situation has really taken it out of him. It's clear to everyone, including him, that the team would be better if the QB play was better. The absolute nail for me was seeing him attempt another crazy shovel pass for the second straight week. The game is too fast for him. It's the only reasonable explanation why a seemingly smart guy makes yet another play like that in the heat of the moment. The pressure is mounting on him, on field and in the locker room, and it's instinctual panic.

I wasn't a fan of his coming out but, besides the age, which has nothing to do with how he's playing right now, BW had a lot of what teams want to see. Big arm, stature, accuracy, production, big wins, and was called a better athlete than he was given credit for.

I think his struggles emphasize the importance of speed in looking at QB prospects and why it's so hard to evaluate. Not running or foot speed but the ability to quickly process what's happening, anticipate and react. It's the key difference from college to pros- the speed the game.

The play on this week's MNF that injured Reggie Wayne demonstrates. Even a once in a lifetime prospect like Luck struggled on that play to quickly process and anticipate what was happening under heavy pressure in a crucial moment in a big game. He got the pass out but well under thrown and Wayne sprained his knee trying to slow and scoop it as his foot stuck. Not a terrible play by Luck but it shows just how fast a pro QB has to be able to execute in certain situations.

Hitting certain bench marks of arm strength/footwork/delivery/accuracy is necessary but after that, it's will this guy be able to speed up his processing and anticipation of what's happening.

Considering the Browns are 99% likely to draft one....
Of the potential high round QBs that might be available in April, which do you think will be able to process and anticipate in the pros best?

Teddy Bridgewater
John Manziel
Marcus Mariota
Brett Hundley
Tahj Boyd
Zach Mettenberger
Blake Bortles
David Carr
Sean Mannion
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Yeah, Weeden is toast. Barring an unprecedented turnaround, heís out of a job in Cleveland. Even as a backup. I just donít see how the organization keeps him in their plans. Itís clear the locker room doesnít have much confidence in him. Heís been, as noted, Gabbert-esque. The mental side of his game is crippling. His decision-making is glacial. He freezes throughout his progressions and then melts when the heat comes. The two things that Weeden needed to speed up in the off-season were his feet and his mind. He hasnít. He is slower than ever. He is missing opportunities. He is throwing an inaccurate ball. So itís time to turn the page on another quarterback. (To be quite honest, I would consider benching him for Campbell. Even though I doubt Campbell is much better, Iíve seen enough of Weeden to know heís not part of the solution. That said, it seems Weeden is getting the starting nod for Week 8. That Chiefs defense must be licking their chops in the film room. I wouldnít want to be Norv Turner right now. Weíre not running the ball against them in an efficient manner. Perhaps Benjaminís home run potential earns him some designed touches. An end-around, some tunnel screens, a free release into space, etc. Past that, Gordon and Cameron have inferior matchups. Which means Weeden just might ignore them and neglect taking shots altogether. Ugh. The Browns O vs. the Chiefs D has the ingredients of a destruction.)

Looking forward, I wasnít blown away by Hoyer, but he played better than I expected and energized the offense. The difference between Hoyer and Weeden in terms of decisiveness is night and day. Thatís why I would gladly pencil Hoyer into a competition for the starting job upon his return from the knee injury. I like his competitive package and he will have another off-season in the offense. Letís see what he can do.

I agree that weíre almost guaranteed to take a quarterback in the draft though. First and foremost, I believe itís been the front officeís vision since the last draft. We traded out of spots to stockpile picks in 2014. We traded Trent Richardson for another first-round pick. Weíre still dangling Josh Gordon and might get another second-round pick out of that. We want ammo to acquire and/or surround our chosen quarterback with handpicked pieces. Second, even with the brief emergence of Hoyer, I believe an extra body doesnít hurt the quarterback situation. Liking Hoyer doesnít mean you pass on a prospect you like. You take the prospect and enter next season with both passers in the fold. It doubles the possibility of stabilizing a chronically unstable position.

The profile of the desired quarterback intrigues me. We can be confident of two things. One, we had E.J. Manuel atop our quarterback rankings in 2013. Two, Chud introduced some zone-read concepts with Cam Newton in 2011. A full season before RGIII, Kaepernick, and Wilson popularized them. How fascinated is Chud with that offensive wrinkle? Is it the determining factor between, for example, Marcus Mariota and Zach Mettenberger? Is size an important component in Chudís concept of a zone-read quarterback? Both Newton and Manuel have much bigger frames than Manziel and Mariota. I havenít watched much of those draft-eligible quarterbacks, but those preferences will dictate quite a bit, and we donít know much at this point.
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Considering the Browns are 99% likely to draft one....
Of the potential high round QBs that might be available in April, which do you think will be able to process and anticipate in the pros best?

Teddy Bridgewater - I like him the most (mostly due to I've seen him more than the other prospects, but not everygame) The games I did see, he looked as if he could read Ds pre-snap and was making decisive throws. I haven't seen him up against any top defenses, so question is, is he only good because of inferior competition or is his good. Maybe the biggest question that I've heard on him, is he a leader?

John Manziel - I don't like him, period. He just seems like a douche with his game antics and immaturity. Combined with his smaller stature, I don't want him

Marcus Mariota - I'm a bit intrigued by MM. Only seen 1 game this year, but he was impressive. Seemed to have quick release, strong arm and definately has speed to burn. I do question his touch and accuracy into tight windows he'd see in the NFL as his WRs seemed to not have anyone within 5 yds of them when they caught the ball, something he'll only see maybe 2x's a game in the pros if he's lucky.
after last nights game I'm wandering if I'm the only one seeing the kinda shot put delivery Mariota has. He doesn't seem to have that 3/4 or overhead delivery that you'd look for that won't get batted down at LOS. It's not something I really paid attention to before, but last night it just seemed every pass he made it was there.

Brett Hundley - Can't say anything on him as I haven't seen him play this year yet.
After last night, he needs to stay in school another year, he needs it. He just didn't seem like he was trusting himself or even the OC trusting in him as he didn't throw with conviction and they ran alot

Tahj Boyd - I'd be okay with Boyd, but more of an okay if he was a late 2nd day or 3rd day pick. He seems to have the tools you look for but doesn't step it up when needed. Could've improved from last year making a bid to be top QB taken, but doesn't seem to be interested in that. Work ethic, maybe?

Zach Mettenberger - Saw the game against Georgia, but not much else besides some channel flip backs. Having Cameron as his coordinator makes him interesting. Strong, strong arm, great size and deceptive speed for that size. Made some really nice throws, but also had a few that got away. I'm definately looking forward to seeing another game or two from his this year, but right now I'd say he's worth looking at in the 2nd, mostly from a tools standpoint

Blake Bortles - Same as Hundley, haven't seen him play

David Carr - Saw him once this year, not overly impressive, but good enough to be on the radar for QBs. Seemed like he'd be alright as a 3rd day pick for now. Gonna try to see some more of him though.

Sean Mannion - Big arm, tall, likes to throw downfield.....ewwww sounds like DA.................I kid. Only one game I've seen so I'd have to see some more. Later round Consideration until I see more, the DA from same school thing sticks to my mind for some reason. Unfair, I know, but I'm admitting it
I've got limited viewing on most QBs so I'm gonna stick with what I've seen and from most of what I'm hearing.

Brigdewater, Mariota and Mettenberger seem to be top 3 QBs that I'd take.

Bridewater, Mariota - Top 5

Mettenberger - 1st/2nd but will most likely go higher due to team need

All the other guys 2nd day on. Depending on how rest of season plays out and Draft order, we may end up liking one the 2nd day on guys more than the 1sties due to Draft spot. Even with the ammo of picks we have to trade up, I don't see anyone trading out of the top 2 spots unless it's someone like the Giants who don't need a QB.

But, once again we won just enough games to outdraft where we need to be for the top QB prospects, so we really need some help from the other 31 teams.

Edit: took Hundley out of top prospects, I just don't see it, he needs to go back for a year or even 2

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I want Bridgewater or Mariota. Very high chance those are the top 2 picks in the draft though :/

I could live with Mettenberger or Hundley. Don't want Tajh Boyd (future wasted pick) or Manziel (too small, not a pocket passer). I think we should sell out to get a top 2 pick though and get a QB. This is the year to do it. (actually 2012 was the year to do it, but let's not go there).
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Hey so our game has playoff implications.

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Itís weird to read that in Week 11, but itís true. This is the franchiseís biggest game since Week 16 and 17 of 2007.

I love that weíre going to Cincinnati with some momentum and rest, but being on the road against a desperate divisional rival thatís undefeated at home and coming off two straight losses is somewhat sobering. This is a statement game for both teams. Weíve been a horrific road team over the past few seasons. That needs to change if this team wants to end its postseason drought. Four of the last seven games are on the road. Two more AFC North games and then a pair against the Patriots and the Jets. A division winner and a (current) Wild Card contender. And I donít think splitting them will suffice. Weíve still got Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, and Chicago at home. If we go 2-2 and 2-1, that leaves us at 8-8. Would .500 be enough in the AFC this season? That Jets matchup is massive though.

Digressing, I canít wait to see Haden v. Green again. If Haden can check him again, thatís a great starting point. It just opens our defensive options. Bernard scares me out of the backfield. A lot. Robertson has been inconsistent when isolated against electric, pass-catching backs this season. Reggie Bush killed us in the second half of the Lions game. Caught five balls for over 11 YPC with a touchdown and converted a back-breaking first late in the fourth. Four of the five were one-on-one against Robertson. An inside screen from the slot, a quick out from the slot, an angle route from the backfield, and a corner route from the backfield. His other catch was a bubble screen from a bunch formation. So Detroit got him the ball through a handful of different methods. We bottled Bernard better than Bush in the first Bengals game. Hereís hoping to do the same in the reverse meeting.

As for the offense, their scheming should be a little easier given Geno Atkinsí absence, so thereís that. He had 1.5 sacks, three quarterback hits, and generated nice gut pressure in Week 4.
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Well that was essentially the most maddening game I have watched in recent memory..
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Some stats:

Dalton: 13/27, 93 YDS, 48.1 CMP%, 3.4 YPA, 3 TD, 2 INT, 3.7 QBR.
CIN Running Game: 31 CAR, 106 YDS, 3.4 YPC.
Green: 2 REC, 7 YDS, 5 TGTS.
CIN 3rd Down Efficiency: 1-for-14.

ÖAnd we got blown out. What a wasted defensive effort.

Just ridiculous. I agree, Dan. Maddening is the perfect word for it. That was a pathetic effort from the offense and specials. The second quarter performance was an absolute embarrassment. We couldnít get out of our own way.

I was most upset at the special team blunders. A partial punt block and then a full punt block to cap two of three possessions is inexcusable. Now, injuries forced the Browns to shuffle some of their personnel and put them in uncomfortable situations, but these were fundamental errors. Errors that high schoolers who have spent one session with special teams shouldnít make. On the tipped punt, Yount got lost in the slush, walled, and dumped two men on Gipson as the out-leveraged protector. Gipson picked the first man and the second, stunting man got through untouched. All right, fine.

The blocked punt was terrible though. Mingo was a turnstile on the right wing. He just gave his rusher a free lane and let him through untouched. Didnít even provide the slightest nudge. Cincinnati didnít disguise or overload. It was 8v8. Yet Mingo released. The protector rotated late, but the rusher had reached Lanningís spot.

And the offense didnít help. Campbell came down with a chronic case of indecisiveness and the offensive line was porous in pass protection. Not a good combination. And while the running game showed some signs of life on the first few series, the 31-point quarter erased that. To be quite honest, I donít know what exactly happened with Campbell. He was missing reads that he hit against the Chiefs and Ravens. Some credit goes to the Bengals defense, but he was painful to watch. Slow through progressions. Inaccurate. Just a poor game. Iím hoping he gets into an early groove against the Steelers. Recognizes coverage shells, finds quick-hitters, etc. Otherwise, we could have a crisis of confidence on our hands.

That said, Haden is a beast. Heís the best corner in the NFL right now and it isnít that close. His blend of competitiveness and coverage skills makes him downright dominant. He shut out A.J. Green. Heís a huge weapon for Horton. Dude deserves the contract thatís coming. Iím guessing itíll be something along the lines of a six-year, $100 million deal with between $40-50 million guaranteed. Normally those types of cap-altering contracts are reserved for superstar quarterbacks and elite pass rushers, but a shutdown commodity like Haden is both rare and ultra-valuable. To me, extending Haden is the top priority of the off-season.
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