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Isn't that where putting together a good call sheet matters though?

The better you prepare for scenarios the better your call sheet can be no? That way if your script is wetting the bed you better plays you can call to get out of a bad situation.

I honestly think the script is overrated. That's just me. So I'm gonna stick to my script just to see what your tendencies are, but I'm sacrificing roughly 1 half of play just to figure that out? I rather just try to score and use situational playcalling from the 1st quarter and not care about your own tendencies.


The call sheet is important. I can only speak to the offensive call sheet. You are only have a finite amount of plays so you design it based on your system and game plan.

Now you're adjustments, in game adjustments, come from the coaches upstairs. For example, let's say on a WR screen you run twice during the game, we see that the Cb is playing press coverage. He knows the screen is coming based on his film study or because you ran it twice. So now he is pressing. He wants to disrupt the blocking and perhaps run to make a play.

So your adjustment comes from upstairs.

" hey coach, the CB, is pressing and trying to jump it to make a play. Let's run:

Quads left, fake X Rhino, X go."

So now you are faking the WR screen and having him run a go. That's not on the call sheet. But I would tell OC this and the OC would tell the QB coach downstairs who would tell the Qb to run this. In the NFL it's easier because they have print outs. In D3 you are not allowed. In the NFL you can show the CB technique to Eli and he can change it up.

Now let's see it's a TD. Fans say this: Great job Eli! Man, that's why we love him. He is so smart and saw this and made the right play.

Reality: We say good job coach. That was a great find. So we give props to the guy who actually figured it out, while everyone else doesn't know this and give props to the player. That's why when we score, I wonder, who called it. That's why you have coaches upstairs. The WR coach on our staff did this a bunch. He was good at figuring things out and I learned it from him. A lot of our TDs was because he found something and told the OC.

You have to be good at settling the OC down too. If Snee misses a block, the OC may go on and go. Damn Snee, how hard is it to pick up the 3 T. hey coach, 3rd down, left hash. Next play. And then he snaps back to reality and calls the personnel package and play.

The booth is far more fun than on the sideline. You, as a coach, can influence the game. You just need to be good at analyzing real time information quickly, and be able to find ways to beat the defense.

I'd make a script 10-15 plays. I'd cycle through ALL the formations to see how they play me. I'd then ask upstairs if that's what we studied and prepared for. We ask the players this too. I ask my TE corps if the Sam is where he is supposed to be or are they doing something different. If different he tells the OL coach who is on the sideline and we draw a new blocking scheme to fix it.

The call sheet's job has adjustments but that tool has other jobs. This post would be longer if I went into that now.
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I think you didn't understand what I was trying to say. I'm talking about gap strategy.

Gap discipline is important in any defense, regardless of what the gap strategy is.

What I want is a multigap strategy. Not just a 1 gap defense. Not just a 2 gap defense.

But a multigap defense. A defense that adjusts it's gap responsibilities per formation for each player.

That's what Seattle does and why they're so good. Bc they throw so many different gap strategies on you it becomes very difficult for an offense to block everyone up.

On one play your DTs are stacking, on another play they're penetrating and only accounting for 1 gap, on one play your LBs could stack, on another they could be responsible for just one gap etc.

That confusion makes it very difficult for OLs to block everyone up properly if you keep switching it up on them from down to down.

And with that confusion you'll create effective blitzes as well.

Defense is just like offense NYG, in the sense that the more predictable you become the easier it is to beat you.
I totally agree that gap discipline is important.

You dont NEED to rely on blitzing to have a good aggressive defence. That is one way to go about it.

I don't think you need to confuse the other team to be effective, although that can help. The problem is that if you rely on mis direction and confusion it gets figured out. Just look at the Pistol, Run N Shoot, Wild cat, Tampa2 etc.

What is more importantant is that you can execute and make adjustments to what happens in the game.

One defence that I would like to see is the John Fox style defence.
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After researching the defensive schemes that John Fox prefers, I have come to the following conclusions. I have broken down, position by position, the types of player that I believe Fox targets.

DE - Tall, lanky and athletic, but more than anything, a guy that can consistently get pressure on the QB. I read some where that running backs on average, league wide, only run around the OT's 9% of the time. So, it makes sense that Fox targets DE's that can get pressure over DE's that are great at containing the run.

DT - Other than last season, nearly every Fox defense was anchored by two massive DT's. He generally doesnt expect much of a pass rush out of his tackles, but rather wants them to engulf the interior OL and allow his pass rushing DE's a 1 on 1 opportunity. They are generally 315+ in weight, and can stuff the run effective enough to allow his MLB the opportunity to drop into a zone coverage and make a play on the ball (Ex. Jon Beason has a total of 29 PD's and 8 INT's, this is certainly partly because Beason is a beast, but also because he is worrying less about a runner getting through the DT's)

WLB/SLB - Fox seems to use his WLB and SLB pretty similarily. Obviously the SLB is going to have to be big/tough enough to guard the TE from time to time, but he puts both in zone cover alot and expects plays on the ball. He actually seems to use his SLB/WLB decently often at rushing the passer, so a guy with the speed/size ratio to blow by a OT is always a plus (Ex. Thomas Davis is 6'0, 240 and has a small pass rush move repotouire, but he gets a few sacks a year on speed rushing alone, similar too with James Anderson). He salivates over speed at the LB position. Look at Thomas Davis (4.52 40 at 6'0, 240lbs), James Anderson (4.48 40 at 6'2 235lbs), & Jason Williams (4.49 40 at 6'1 244lbs). Nic Harris (4.86 40) is the slowest, but as a former S, he has the coverage instincts to make up for his slower time. Also, Fox has no problem converting college safetys into OLB's, as he did with Davis and Harris.

CB - A bit of research indicates that Fox prefers versatile CB's. Guys that are equally as good in zone coverage as they are in man. It seems like he wants playmakers, as most of his starting CB's end up with a good deal of pass deflections and INT's. This could also be a result of allowing his CB's to play zone more often, facing the QB and reading him. Finally, he wants guys that are physical, although he doesnt seem to trend towards press corners. He also seems to rarely use his CB's to rush the passer.

S - Here he has recently trended, overwhelmingly, towards converted CB's. He doesnt use a traditional 'in the box' CB, but rather prefers two guys that can excel in zone coverage, and make plays on the ball.

Overall, it seems like he prefers rush specialist at DE, huge space eaters at DT, a pair of versatile SLB/MLB's that have elite speed to cover and the size to rush the passer, a well rounded MLB that is good in coverage, CB's that are equally adept at zone and man and a pair of converted safteys that can excel in coverage and make plays deep.

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Q: I know John Fox uses the 4-3 (defensive scheme), but why don't the Broncos use more 3-4 packages? Elvis Dumervil had 17 sacks in 2009 in the 3-4 defense. ... The Broncos should give it a shot.

A: Mike, Fox's defensive scheme is indeed a classic 4-3 at its roots, but he uses a variety of things from that starting point.

The Broncos do flash formations particularly in their pass-rush packages, for example that are closer to a 3-4 in both philosophy and personnel. First-year defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio also has a more traditional 3-4 look in the defensive playbook, which he could use as well if he believes the matchup calls for it in a given week.

The Broncos use strongside linebacker Von Miller as a defensive end in virtually all of their pass-rush packages. And when Miller is lined up at one end to go with Dumervil at the other, the look is far closer to that of a 3-4 defense (three linemen and four linebackers) than it is a 4-3.

The Broncos also have a three-linemen, three-linebacker package that they use a great deal when they go to the nickel (five defensive backs). In that scenario, Miller is routinely lined up as a defensive end.

The idea is what you're looking for as well, to get the speed rushers working the edges, pinching the pass pocket from the outside in.

The Broncos also often drop a safety down to serve as a linebacker in some formations. So while three linebackers, as they are listed at the position on the roster, may be in the formation, a safety like Mike Adams will actually be lined up at linebacker as well.

When the Broncos used a seven-defensive back look Sunday against the Raiders, they also moved Adams down into the middle of the formation next to linebackers Wesley Woodyard and Danny Trevathan. So, while there were indeed seven defensive backs on the field, the formation was more like a 2-3-6 look. The Broncos may even consider it one of their dime packages (six defensive backs).

"Anything you can do to make the quarterback pause a little bit or not know what you're going to do at the snap is going to help you," is how Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey put it. "These guys in the league right now, if they walk up there and they know what your coverage is or know where you're rushing from, they'll just eat you up. You have to be able to disguise things."

But in the base defense, there is no question the Broncos are a tried and true 4-3 look, especially when they use three 300-pounders across the front. When the Broncos open in their starting base defense, it's usually the 330-pound Kevin Vickerson, the 312-pound Justin Bannan and 300-pound Derek Wolfe across the front with Dumervil.

The Broncos hope Wolfe can continue to develop into a quality upfield player. That would enable them to play him more in pass-rush situations without surrendering bulk in the defensive front.

That is the Broncos' chief issue on defense at the moment. They have athletic players with plenty of speed like Dumervil, Miller, Woodyard and Trevathan. But to get those players on the field, they are taking out bigger players to do it.

So, your astute quarterbacks will often see the lighter formation and change to running plays. And when things haven't gone well for the Broncos defense in Fox's tenure, it's often because the Broncos can't stop the run, or the tight end in the passing game with the smaller lineup.

The Broncos succeeded in going a little smaller Sunday against the Raiders because they held the lead for much of the afternoon and didn't allow the Raiders to run the ball effectively when the game was still in doubt.

As a result, Oakland was in a pass-first most mode for much of the second half and the Broncos could go lighter on defense and know they would be in pass-rush situations almost without fail.

The questions will arise when they try it against offenses when the run game is still an option.


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What do you guys think of Stephon Tuitt from Notre Dame?

Jug, you're a Notre Dame guy, you have anything on him?
I am starting to really like Tuitt as an option for NYG.

The guy is 6'6, 312 and is expected to run around 4.80. But he is athletic and disruptive.

He could be used as a 3 tech DT in our current scheme, but I think he would be better suited at LDE in a 4-3 or a DE in 3-4 fronts.

I think I may rather trade down and get this guy rather than take Clowney.

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I watched Carl Banks and Harry Carson recently, when asked about what position outside of QB would they build a team around. Both answered Oline, basically getting the nastiest physical players available.

I like this approach a lot With a stud Oline you can get the whole offence running well.

Another thought that I really like is that with all the pass rushers these days, there isn't as much difference between left and right tackle.
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I watched Carl Banks and Harry Carson recently, when asked about what position outside of QB would they build a team around. Both answered Oline, basically getting the nastiest physical players available.

I like this approach a lot With a stud Oline you can get the whole offence running well.

Another thought that I really like is that with all the pass rushers these days, there isn't as much difference between left and right tackle.
Yeah I remember talking to Old man Coach garrett about football after my interview. We talked about OL, specifically LT and RT. Prior the LT was more athletic, and RT stronger, more of a road grader. That was the traditional thought process. Talking to Jim Garrett though, he told me a while back now scouts just look at it as if the guy can run block or pass block. The traditional thought process is out the window.
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We have had improved perfornances in the last couple weeks im hoping for a win tomorrow.

While the reality is we are what our record is. We are a better team. Time to produce on field
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We better not start winning at this point
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I want Clowney dammit.
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I scouted 2 guys this weekend btw. Barr and Skov. I don't have time to write a detailed write up now but I'll get to it soon.
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Skov is really good. Didnt get to watch that UCLA/Stanford game but Skov has been on my radar for a few years.
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Yeah I'm high on Skov. I'm not done evaluating him yet, I need to study his pass coverage more, but so far so good.

Reminds me of healthy Stewart Bradley for the Eagles. I'm not ready to say he reminds me of Keuchley just yet bc Luke was on another planet.

He's like a bigger Arthur Brown from what I can tell so far. Great form tackling, great instincts, always in the right position, sound technique.

Then from a physical standpoint he's big like Bradley, can sink his hips well enough, long arms, don't know how fast he is yet.

I'm trying to avoid the white LB comparison. I want to study him more.
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With Jacobs out, this game could depend on getting a solid ground game with Hillis and Cox.
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I scouted 2 guys this weekend btw. Barr and Skov. I don't have time to write a detailed write up now but I'll get to it soon.
I am interested in reading your thoughts on these guys.

Have you scouted Clowney as well?
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If we ended up with the top pick, we could end up with a windfall.

A lot of teams want/need that franchise QB and Terry Bridgewater is the standout at this point. We could cash in with a lot of picks.

An example is the RG3 trade

The Redskins got the No.2 overall from the Rams for four high-value draft picks over three years: their No. 6 overall pick in 2012, their second-round pick in 2012, and their first-round picks in 2013 and 2014.

The future picks are usually considered the equivalent of a round later (ie next year's first round pick is considered equal to this years second round value)

For example, assume the Browns want that franchise QB. They could at giving their two first picks (currently 11 and 26), plus their 2014 and 2015 second rounders.
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I am interested in reading your thoughts on these guys.

Have you scouted Clowney as well?
Not yet. I almost forgot about this, I gotta get to it next week.
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Not yet. I almost forgot about this, I gotta get to it next week.
thanks :)

I want to see how Clowney stacks up.

Got a few more guys I would like you to have a look at in the future
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thanks :)

I want to see how Clowney stacks up.

Got a few more guys I would like you to have a look at in the future
I'll get there bro. I have some stuff at work that's going to occupy my time and focus for the next week but I'll put something together next week.
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I'll get there bro. I have some stuff at work that's going to occupy my time and focus for the next week but I'll put something together next week.
I am going to be looking at my early offseason plan next week after the Eagles game.
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One player I would really like to see us draft is Florida State LB Christian Jones.

I could see him slotting into SLB and being groomed as Beason's successor at MLB

He is probably a late first/early second pick right now so we would likely need to trade down in the first ir trade up in the second.
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I'd rather use that second on an interior OL guy cause they are money in the late first early second, after using our first on a pass rusher, or maybe DB.
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I'd rather use that second on an interior OL guy cause they are money in the late first early second, after using our first on a pass rusher, or maybe DB.
I hear you, but there isn't a lot of clear options at DE or CB there. There will be pass rushers, but they are OLB not DEs.

My current preferred option is to trade back in first round. If we have #6, there will be either stud QBs, left tackles or passrushers (OLB) on the table.
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I have been looking at the depth of the online talent next year.

Sure we are all aware of the OTs, but there is a ton of very good interior Oline talent as well.

Here are a bunch of guys who are all legitimately in the day two mix at the moment (and there are likely others).


Cyril Richardson, OT/G, Baylor
Gabe Jackson, G, Mississippi State
David Yankey, G/OT, Stanford
La'el Collins, G/OT, LSU
Zack Martin, G/OT, Notre Dame
Anthony Steen, G, Alabama
Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, UCLA
Tre Jackson, G, Florida State
Zach Fulton, G, Tennessee

Bryan Stork, C, Florida State
Travis Swanson, C, Arkansas


Add in the current day one and day 2 OT prospects

Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee
Cameron Erving, OT, Florida State
James Hurst, OT, North Carolina
Corey Robinson, OT, South Carolina
JuWaun James, OT, Tennessee


and we have around 19 players already in legitimate consideration for day 1/2 picks. This is an ideal year to be reloading our oline (regardless of position) through the draft.
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Thanks for all the names! Will try and keep an eye out on these players.
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no problem, there are a few underclassmen in the mix, but these are definately some of the leading guys to keep an eye on at this stage.
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Damn, sorry Pete I keep saying I'm gonna do X, Y, and Z and I keep forgetting. I'll hit the reset button and start putting together some stuff when I can. Realistically I'll pick it up around the Bowl games.
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