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Old 10-21-2013, 08:12 PM    (permalink
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Mark Dominik should be let go. Just for the fact of what's happened this season. But I like what Mark has done with bringing talent to the Bucs over the last few seasons. Signing Revs, Vjax, Nicks, Goldson. Drafting Martin, David, Barron, Williams.

But he's missed on a lot of picks. Not a player from the 09 draft is with the team. In 2010 both second rounder and the 3rd rounder are not with the team. 2011 looking like we'll get one player Clayborn. Bowers is looking like a bust. 2012 he hit gold with the first three picks. And in 2013 only looks like Banks will be a impact player.

Take all that with the fact that he's missed on a few free agent signings. And that he's the one that picked Greg Schiano.

To me Greg Schiano shouldn't even be able to end the season as the head coach. After we lose this Thursday they should fire him and Dave Wannstedt should be the head coach for the rest of the year. Wannsstedt was a head coach in the NFL ( Miami ) and college ( Pitt ) so he can do it.


The only person that I want to be the next Head Coach of the Bucs is Lovie Smith. He started as a Buc he's from Tony Dungy coaching tree. And he knows the Bucs and the Glazer family. He also knows the fan base and was part of the glory years where Tampa was a great D and a hard place to play. Add the fact that he knows how to coach defense. Well. He went to the Rams and turned around their D in the first season. As the Bears HC he had one really bad season. The first when they went 5-11 but after that he never lost more than 9 games. Made it to the playoffs 3 times. The NFC title game two of those times and the super bowl once. Also his last season was a 10-6 where he missed out on the playoffs. A lot of his time with the Bears he was with out a very good QB and mostly needed great D, great special teams and a good run game.

Most of all is his players love him, people in the NFL respect him. And he can bring some of the feeling back of when the Bucs were a first class organization that did things the right way. Which we really need after Morris partying with his players and now Schiano and the kicking the QB off the team. Leaking info. Taping players on the sidelines etc etc etc.

Looking at the Bucs as a job it doesn't look that bad. You have some very good talent on the roster. And most likely a top 5 pick. Which could be a QB of your choice. Hopefully the Glazers see it like I do. Cause I'd really like to go back to the days where I was proud to be a Bucs fan. Because we played smash mouth football with rock solid defense and had players that we held onto and ended up loving. We did it the right way. Lovie Smith does it that way. We need him.
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You made some points.



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Who then? Cause the last two we went with sure haven't worked out for us.
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Give me a better coach that fits with what going on with our Bucs?

1. Knows the Glazers and fan base.
2. Is a defensive minded head coach.
3. Has won in this league. 2 NFC Champ games plus a SB.
4. Players love him

Also could build one hell of a Defensive staff. Rod Marinelli could be back. Leslie Frazier if he's canned my Minny could be with Lovie.
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If the Glazers fire Schiano tomorrow, as you suggest, that job will become toxic. And they won't be able to fill it with any semblance of quality.



The coaching circles regard Jon Gruden very highly. The fanboys and drunks around here might not, but the coaching fraternity does. We fired him. We looked good trying out Raheem Morris, but he proved in over his head and lost the team. Or his assistants lost it, and by association, he lost it. We fired him. And now Schiano. And you want him fired.



Coaches DO NOT want to get themselves into a job, where if things don't go perfect after a season and a half, or two years, they get their rep trashed. Do you GET that? Do you even understand the gravity of what is going on? Coaches want to go into a place where there is some sort of stability.

By firing Schiano, the Glazers will have then had 4 head coaches for this team since 2008. We're 2013. Would you..... as a high profile, successful coach, want to put your reputation on the line, given the recent history?
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I still say let Schiano have a go to get this thing on track. Looks like he was spot on with Freeman, and if it weren't for Mark Dominik blocking Greg from removing Freeman earlier, we might be in a better spot today.


And if I were Greg and Mark, I'm looking for a new offensive coordinator. That, is the correct path to preserve some dignity around the league.
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Blah. Schiano has already lost the team. His rep was trashed on his own.
There's a line around the block to take the Tampa job because there's actually talent on that roster.

Any novice HC who's o-fer this late in the season deserves to lose his job.

The Bucs can do better than Schiano.

Signing Revis to all that cash this offseason practically demands a coaching change IMO. You don't bring in that kind of talent and let him go to waste under a HC who's obviously in over his head.

Bill Cowher would be perfect in TB.
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If the Glazers fire Schiano tomorrow, as you suggest, that job will become toxic. And they won't be able to fill it with any semblance of quality.



The coaching circles regard Jon Gruden very highly. The fanboys and drunks around here might not, but the coaching fraternity does. We fired him. We looked good trying out Raheem Morris, but he proved in over his head and lost the team. Or his assistants lost it, and by association, he lost it. We fired him. And now Schiano. And you want him fired.



Coaches DO NOT want to get themselves into a job, where if things don't go perfect after a season and a half, or two years, they get their rep trashed. Do you GET that? Do you even understand the gravity of what is going on? Coaches want to go into a place where there is some sort of stability.

By firing Schiano, the Glazers will have then had 4 head coaches for this team since 2008. We're 2013. Would you..... as a high profile, successful coach, want to put your reputation on the line, given the recent history?
Toxic? The Bucs are toxic right now! You have the face of the team Revis saying he doesn't think players are buying into the system. Schiano has pissed off everyone in the league with going for the knees play on the kneel down. Plus he's a dick. His players hate him.


Why wouldn't a coach like Lovie want the Bucs job? We have so much talent on this roster. We are KC of last year. Williams and Vjax make a very good WR Combo. Goldson, Revis and Berron make what could be the second best in the league. David is a monster at LB. Martin is one hell of a RB. Nicks when not hurt is a top 5 OG. McCoy is a beast of a DT. WE HAVE PLAYERS TO WIN! WE SHOULD NOT BE 0-6!!! This mess is on Schiano.
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Blah. Schiano has already lost the team. His rep was trashed on his own.
There's a line around the block to take the Tampa job because there's actually talent on that roster.

Any novice HC who's o-fer this late in the season deserves to lose his job.

The Bucs can do better than Schiano.

Signing Revis to all that cash this offseason practically demands a coaching change IMO. You don't bring in that kind of talent and let him go to waste under a HC who's obviously in over his head.

Bill Cowher would be perfect in TB.

Cowher would probably want no part of the TB job. He is no spring chicken and at his age having to deal with that job would be a pain. My guess is it would have to be an ideal job with a big time franchise that could lure him away from his cushy job for CBS. Even if that happens, I can't see him leaving that job now.
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First of all, I think Tampa has talent to work with. It's just None of the players fit what Schiano does and I blame Mark Dominik on that. Why? Schiano runs a defense that is very cover 3 and little man to man coverage that requires CBs to play off coverage. So, why did Mark Dominik pay up the mega $$$$ for Revis? Why did we draft Mark Barron who can't cover a soul 7th overall to cover the premeire NFC S TEs? LOL.

The Bucs have 8 Pro Bowlers on this roster. They're not being used correctly. And no. Dom gets 0 credit for drafting them either. in the core rebuilding years, he flopped hard in 2009-2011. Schiano, IMO, is also too stubborn to adjust to the NFL level. He's a great football coach, but his lack of willingness to adjust is what will cost him his job.

Bucs will be an attractive spot. I think Greg Roman is your guy. Get Marriota.
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First of all, I think Tampa has talent to work with. It's just None of the players fit what Schiano does and I blame Mark Dominik on that. Why? Schiano runs a defense that is very cover 3 and little man to man coverage that requires CBs to play off coverage. So, why did Mark Dominik pay up the mega $$$$ for Revis? Why did we draft Mark Barron who can't cover a soul 7th overall to cover the premeire NFC S TEs? LOL.

The Bucs have 8 Pro Bowlers on this roster. They're not being used correctly. And no. Dom gets 0 credit for drafting them either. in the core rebuilding years, he flopped hard in 2009-2011. Schiano, IMO, is also too stubborn to adjust to the NFL level. He's a great football coach, but his lack of willingness to adjust is what will cost him his job.

Bucs will be an attractive spot. I think Greg Roman is your guy. Get Marriota.
I've been saying Lovie. But Roman with a pick of Marriota would be so nice!
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I know it is easy to pile on Greg Schiano, really albiet his own doing, but there a lot of alarming things that can not be ignored if regards to some of his decisions and attitude towards the game and players itself. The thing in my opinion that matters a lot in the NFL when it comes to coaching, is the ability to adjust both in the game and in between games week to week. Schiano seems to really struggle with this and that can be the difference between losing close games as they did early in the season, to now we seem to be tail-spinning towards a top 5 pick in next years NFL draft.

Look at coaches like Coughlin and Bilicheck, who Schiano seems to try his hardest to impersonate which but failing in that regards too, do when it comes to adjusting. Bilicheck losing his best DL, best LB, and best CB still has his defense in positions to win week in and week out even when his QB is having a bad like he did on Sunday. Coughlin as we know started 0-6 but now with some defensive adjustments by making his scheme a little more simpler and bring more people to aid a struggling pass rush has his team looking a lot better. Schiano seems hell bent on proving time after time he is going to live a die by his way of playing football and right now it appears he dying.
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As far as Mark Dominik I think it is time for him to step down or get fired also. It seems like as a GM he does not see the bigger picture when it comes to team building. If we look at the drafts excluding 2011 draft he usually over compensates for a position if we are in need for that posititon, examples being the Gerald McCoy and Brian Price; Arrlieous Benn and Mike Williams; and Adrian Clayborn and Da'Quan Bowers. I understand we had needs for these players but too much focus on a single position in a draft really hinders you if those picks misses and most cases going into the draft most picks are 50/50 in terms of succeeding. Most of us know this, seems like most GMs should know this, so why does ours seem to repeatedly keep doing this?

I'm assuming he is in over his head, I could be wrong and there could be something else but I want to give Dom the benefit of the doubt. Either way he has got to go, no way we need to bring in yet another coach to a GM who it appears does not bring in competent players for the coaches system. IE Revis playing in a zone based defense. Along with Johnathon Banks who all the draft experts knew struggled in zone defense in college to play in a zone based defense. This is just a few points but bottom line is we need a GM who brings a coach he is familiar with otherwise crap like this keeps happening.

The only scary thing to me as far as bringing in a new GM is he may get rid a lot of our core players but maybe that is what we need. I can see a quick turnaround with the right coach and GM.
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No way a new GM get rid of some of our core players. Revis, Goldson, Barron, McCoy, VJax, Williams, Martin, Clayborn, David, Nicks, and Penn are all safe.

Davin Joseph if he wants to be a Buc will have to take a big pay cut.

This team needs a QB and new coaching. Badly.
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Our coach came out today and said Revis will play more man to man. It's nuts. Trade for a guy that hands down the best man to man cover corner in the league. And it takes you to you're 0-7 and playing him in zone to understand that he need's to play more man up.

Revis should play 85% man to man every game. 15% zone and that's to trick them into maybe a bad throw.
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Our coach came out today and said Revis will play more man to man. It's nuts. Trade for a guy that hands down the best man to man cover corner in the league. And it takes you to you're 0-7 and playing him in zone to understand that he need's to play more man up.

Revis should play 85% man to man every game. 15% zone and that's to trick them into maybe a bad throw.
Just more proof this guy is in over his head
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Back off here a bit. Revis came out and said he is not 100% and is only beginning to gain strength. Do not read up into the media that Schiano is an idiot. Schiano might be 1 of the smartest coaches in football fundamentals. The media is plaguing him to be a fool. Bellichik hgihly regarded Schiano as an NFL coaching prospect.

If anything, I think the real problem is GM Mark Dominik. Poor scouting and decision making. You dont pay a guy 16 mil a year, give up a 1st and 3rd for him without seeing him show he's 100% on the field. If you watched week 1 vs NYJ, you saw Revis pressing Holmes, but you didn't see it after that til Carolina. WHy? Ask that to yourself? Probably because he didn't feel 100%.

Schiano might be the scapegoat of Mark Dominik's poor decision making. Tried making up for his draft busts with high priced FAs that were overpaid. Carl Nicks, Eric Wright, Dashon Goldson did not, in no way, deserved that money. Goldson might be the most overrated Safety in the game because he cannot cover. He was exposed in the playoffs when he was just burned.

The Bucs need to invest in the front 7, specifically the dline and add depth to the Middle and SLB positions. Clayborn is a LDE who is solid, but not great. McCoy, I'm starting to believe brasho, is overrated and I would not resign to a massive contract. Spence I like.
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If we hire a coach, I want Rich Bassacia. Dude deserved it back in 2009 but the Glazers and Dom chose Morris because they were afraid of losing him.
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The Bucs are in a similar situation that the Chiefs were in. They have a very talented team but not the right coach. I would be disappointed if Dominik was fired because he has done well putting this team together. I don't know who is the right guy for the head coaching job but it's clearly not Schiano. Hire the right guy at HC and everything will fall into place.
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The Bucs are in a similar situation that the Chiefs were in. They have a very talented team but not the right coach. I would be disappointed if Dominik was fired because he has done well putting this team together. I don't know who is the right guy for the head coaching job but it's clearly not Schiano. Hire the right guy at HC and everything will fall into place.
Dominik found Schiano and hired him. There are too many misses that both will have to go. Not just one. Dom missed , I repeat MISSED on the franchise QB and entire 2009 class. Mike Williams is the bright spot of 2010. None of our highly invested picks towards the dline have paid off. McCoy is Overrated and is at best a run defender and below average pass rusher. He belongs in a 3-4.
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If anything, I think the real problem is GM Mark Dominik. Poor scouting and decision making. You dont pay a guy 16 mil a year, give up a 1st and 3rd for him without seeing him show he's 100% on the field. If you watched week 1 vs NYJ, you saw Revis pressing Holmes, but you didn't see it after that til Carolina. WHy? Ask that to yourself? Probably because he didn't feel 100%.

Schiano might be the scapegoat of Mark Dominik's poor decision making. Tried making up for his draft busts with high priced FAs that were overpaid. Carl Nicks, Eric Wright, Dashon Goldson did not, in no way, deserved that money. Goldson might be the most overrated Safety in the game because he cannot cover. He was exposed in the playoffs when he was just burned.

The Bucs need to invest in the front 7, specifically the dline and add depth to the Middle and SLB positions. Clayborn is a LDE who is solid, but not great. McCoy, I'm starting to believe brasho, is overrated and I would not resign to a massive contract. Spence I like.
Dude not saying that Dom hasn't had some bad moves. But our problems are all coaching this year. We were up 21 points this sunday and lost the game. That's on the coach. Not the GM.

Dom has put talent on this roster. Vjax and Williams. Nicks. Barron and Goldson. Revis. McCoy. Martin and David.

Dom had his shot after Morris and pick his guy. Didn't workout so they both should get let go.
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You guys literally have no clue here. Bill Cowher? Lovie Smith?


That's so damn foolish, I don't know if that's bait for a dumb argument or actually serious.



We're going to have to go to the Arena League 2 to hunt down a coach it's so toxic. And by toxic..... since you boneheads didn't get it the first time..... it's about the owners. How they dealt with Dungy, Gruden, McKay, the botched Parcells thing, Raheem, now this. No one in their right mind, no matter how much "talent" may or may not be on the roster, is going to come here. No one of respect, anyway.


All the Glazers need now to complete the circle, is for one of them to waltz out into the media room with a fricken overhead projector to make points.
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You guys literally have no clue here. Bill Cowher? Lovie Smith?


That's so damn foolish, I don't know if that's bait for a dumb argument or actually serious.



We're going to have to go to the Arena League 2 to hunt down a coach it's so toxic. And by toxic..... since you boneheads didn't get it the first time..... it's about the owners. How they dealt with Dungy, Gruden, McKay, the botched Parcells thing, Raheem, now this. No one in their right mind, no matter how much "talent" may or may not be on the roster, is going to come here. No one of respect, anyway.


All the Glazers need now to complete the circle, is for one of them to waltz out into the media room with a fricken overhead projector to make points.
Yep/ The issues start in the FO and Dom, from what I've read, has lost some good scouts because he's kind of a power tyrant himself. (on phone, will post article later). Stokes almost went to Kansas City for the same role Hickey is here, but the Glazers blocked that.

It's a shame we did not hire Rob Chudzinski over Schiano. But I'm not sure how all thaty would have mattered anyways. Dom still has full control and he sucks at bringing in talent through the draft.
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Dom was better than our last GM Allen.
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That's one of the dumbest things I've heard you say. So, should we keep him because of this? Dom is just like Allen. Excellent cap manager, but can't scout College players to the NFL. Also just continues to add players without regards to the scheme and chemistry with others. He's the idiot that beefed up the secondary when the DLINE was also bad and ask anyone, it all STARTS UP FRONT!
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