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Old 07-12-2013, 02:00 PM    (permalink
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They haven't given Miller those responsibilities yet b/c they don't want to give him too much too soon, he's too raw. But really, none of those offenses prepare you for the pro system any more or less than the one Ohio State runs. Besides all that, more and more teams (including the Redskins, 49ers, and Panthers) are using that zone read stuff in their system. NFL teams have actually taken several plays from Urban Meyer's offense and incorporated them into their system, the Patriots notably being the first to do this as Belichick is buds with him, and they ran a sort of pro style spread. Meyer's offense is one of the most copied spreads in college ball.
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Won't be drafted with the purpose of throwing the ball in the NFL unless it's on gadget plays. I just don't understand why fans are so oblivious to their favorite teams players. I saw tons of Michigan fans claiming Denard was a QB, and I'm seeing it again with Braxton when clearly neither are.
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Newton actually had progressions in college
No he didn't. It was very similar to Urban's offense.
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No he didn't. It was very similar to Urban's offense.

All zone read option offenses are similar, however conceptually Gus Malzahn's offense is completely different than Urban Meyer's.
Cam Newton was required to see the field more than most Meyer quarterbacks do.

Look at the results at the pro level.
Cam Newton didn't have to totally re-learn the QB position from a passing perspective once he was drafted by the Panthers, unlike Tebow and Alex Smith who were both completely lost throwing the football in the NFL their first couple of seasons in the pros.

Meyer's system is a terrible developmental offense for a QB prospect with pro aspirations.
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All zone read option offenses are similar, however conceptually Gus Malzahn's offense is completely different than Urban Meyer's.
Cam Newton was required to see the field more than most Meyer quarterbacks do.

Look at the results at the pro level.
Cam Newton didn't have to totally re-learn the QB position from a passing perspective once he was drafted by the Panthers, unlike Tebow and Alex Smith who were both completely lost throwing the football in the NFL their first couple of seasons in the pros.

Meyer's system is a terrible developmental offense for a QB prospect with pro aspirations.
Newton did still have to learnt he playcalls though and pretty much all audibles and pre snap adjustments one might make. (thats actually something smith mainly did more of at utah than newt did at auburn)
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i think his WR Devin Smith is going to be a stud, what are you OSU fans hearing about him? i will be watching him next year.
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Decent #3 receiver. Needs to consistently make the easy catches, adequate but not great speed, same goes for his size. Has incredible body control.

Middle-round guy probably.
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Smith as above average speed, he is a downfield burner, one of the fastest guys on the team...though his short area quickness and initial acceleration are not top notch compared to his long speed and ability to gain seperation downfield. He has the potential to be a big time playmaker in college, I think he might come close to that this season. Yeah, probably a 3rd - 5th round draft pick in the 2015 draft. Maybe 2nd if he takes off.
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Ran into him at a part recently. He's super small. I wanted to tell him NFLDC don't like your measurables homeboy.
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Thoughts on his progression and growth as a passer anyone?
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Thoughts on his progression and growth as a passer anyone?
I think he's a pure passer who makes a ton of ridiculous "Sunday throws" but he'll get dinged because of the system he's played in and what that's produced (Omar Jacobs, anyone?).

This will be the process he'll go through if he doesn't declare this year:
He'll have a ton of hype when we start talking about 2015
Someone will compare him to a black QB (OMG, TROY SMITH/Tyrod Taylor!) when there are much better comparisons (He slings the rock like Kurt Warner in my book).
People will fall victim to the comparisons and start thinking he really is Troy Smith.
His stock will fall.
He'll win people back during the season next year.
He won't run a 4.5 40 at the combine.
People will say he doesn't have what it takes and he'll bust.
He'll go to one of the teams that doesn't draft a QB this year that should.
The pick will be ostracized and people won't like it.
He'll win the starting job and be a solid pro.
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Speaking of Meyer hurting qbs, how have receivers under him done in the pros? I remember looking at the playbook, the route tree is very basic, mostly stuff like modified routes that he just put "speed" in front of, like "speed out" that don't require crisp cuts, more rounded off. The only one I can think of that is doing great right now is Cooper, and it took him a few years, although he did average 70 yards a game in 3 starts one or two years back.
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One of my best friends actually made that Tyrod video so long ago.

I mean, I don't hate the comparison either, but I was a big Tyrod Taylor fan coming out.

I just wish Braxton was 6'3". I think the height holds him back a little bit.
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Speaking of Meyer hurting qbs, how have receivers under him done in the pros? I remember looking at the playbook, the route tree is very basic, mostly stuff like modified routes that he just put "speed" in front of, like "speed out" that don't require crisp cuts, more rounded off. The only one I can think of that is doing great right now is Cooper, and it took him a few years, although he did average 70 yards a game in 3 starts one or two years back.
Percy Harvin is good when healthy. Cooper is having a good year. Louis Murphy was playing, though he really wasn't a star or anything in college even. Aaron Hernandez at TE was good. I don't think there is much correlation between Meyer's system and success or failure in the pros. Guys who are gonna be good in the pros are gonna be good in the pros no matter where they go to school. The sample size is too small to draw these conclusions. He only coached at Florida for a handful of years and before that there wasn't much NFL talent on Utah and Bowling Green to begin with.
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One of my best friends actually made that Tyrod video so long ago.

I mean, I don't hate the comparison either, but I was a big Tyrod Taylor fan coming out.

I just wish Braxton was 6'3". I think the height holds him back a little bit.
Whatever, 6'2", 6'3" there is not a big difference. He's very mobile too so it diminishes the issue. His height is the least of his worries.
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