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Old 11-09-2013, 11:24 AM    (permalink
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Stanford has been owning all these top QB - Mannion, Hundley and Mariota all had subpar days. Being exposed by such a quality defense makes me wonder if all three of these guys do not stay for another year.
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Mariota just turned 20 a week ago and I'm supposed to make a big deal after his team loses 1 game to Stanford. Yeah, no.
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Mariota just turned 20 a week ago and I'm supposed to make a big deal after his team loses 1 game to Stanford. Yeah, no.
I agree that anyone using this one game as "proof" that Mariota will fail at the next level is ridiculous. With that said you can't just ignore the fact that he struggled in his most important game of the season against the best defense he's played all season.

It's important to remember that scouting players is a process and that game to game consistency is what makes great players great. You can find bad tape on any player in history it's just harder to find a lot of it on good players. I can remember watching Peyton Manning throw 6 interceptions in a game against the San Diego Chargers a while ago.
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Yeah but mariota doesn't make the right window throws on a consistent basis that you have to make at the nfl level. Too many screens crosses a d stop routes in space that are short throws.
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Tampa will definitely be looking at a new QB. Whoever the new coach is will want his guy.
This might be true but that doesn't mean they have to take one in the 1st round. If they pick 2nd and Bridgewater is gone then as long as they aren't sold on any of the other QBs it would make sense for them to take someone like Clowney and look for a QB in a later round.

Also it's not impossible for the new coaching staff to actually like Glennon and give him a year before they look for a new QB.
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This might be true but that doesn't mean they have to take one in the 1st round. If they pick 2nd and Bridgewater is gone then as long as they aren't sold on any of the other QBs it would make sense for them to take someone like Clowney and look for a QB in a later round.

Also it's not impossible for the new coaching staff to actually like Glennon and give him a year before they look for a new QB.
I refuse to believe a new coaching staff will want to dump a 2nd year guy like Glennon if he continues to build on his year so far. Well maybe not refuse to believe, but I would imagine it would be wise to go a different direction unless Glennon just falls on his face from here on out.
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To me Glennon has been playing very good ball for a rookie. Is completing 60% of his throws. Only 3 Ints in 5 games so far against 3 top ten defensive's ( Hawks, Cards, Panthers ).

Also he's doing this without his best Olinemen Nicks. No Mike Williams. Martin has been hurt. No slot WR to speak of.
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There's value in teams actually trying to develop QB prospects. Foles I thought was a JAG when the Eagles took him, now he appears to have real pro-bowl upside and 10+ year starting potential.

Mike Glennon gets better it seems every game, whatever happens next year with the Bucs, I hope Glennon is given a chance to compete for the starting gig.

A healthy Doug Martin would change the entire profile of the TB offense and really help Glennon.
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The more I watch Derek Carr, the more I feel he's gotta be a first round caliber quarterback. Yes his footwork needs some fixing but his blend arm strength and quick release are unlike any other quarterback in this draft class. I feel he'll never get past Chicago in May; seems like the type of player Marc Trestman would bring in and turn into a star.
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He has to get past us first. I couldn't stay awake for his entire game last night since I am getting so long in the tooth but his arm really does look fantastic his release was the first thing I noticed (first time I have watched). Could his stock really be that high already?
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Old 11-10-2013, 11:14 AM    (permalink
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Carr is alot of fun to watch, has so much zip on his passes, can make every throw and his release is ridiculous. Surprised he is not in the Heisman convo yet.
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You just know that Carr will get mixed reactions at best from the fans of the team that drafts him. No matter how good he may or may not be, many fans will not be able to get past him being David Carr's little brother.
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Maybe if the Texans would have drafted some offensive linemen that didn't allow Carr to be crushed every game, perhaps Carr would have put up better numbers.
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Eh, it was more than that. Carr held onto the ball too long. When their backup QBs would play with the same line they would not get sacked as much. But it's much like the Browns with Tim Couch, bad offensive line and no talent at runningback set up a promising young talent to fail, who probably would've been good on a good team.
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You can't look at the fact Derek is David's brother so they must be the same. Aaron Rodgers is an elite qb. Jordan is nothing like that.

Sean glennon was garbage as a prospect. But mike glennon looks very consistent and progressing as at least a quality back/average starter.

Derek Carr is shattering his brothers records and he looks better as a prospect.
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bucfan12 You can't look at the fact Derek is David's brother so they must be the same. Aaron Rodgers is an elite qb. Jordan is nothing like that.

Sean glennon was garbage as a prospect. But mike glennon looks very consistent and progressing as at least a quality back/average starter.

Derek Carr is shattering his brothers records and he looks better as a prospect.
Sean Glennon was a gamer and a good competitor on VT but did not have the physical skills his brother does.


Casey Clausen I hated on Tennessee, just simply hated, then his brother Jimmy Clausen was not too bad on Notre Dame but has not been great in the NFL and Rick Clausen was the worst of them all.


Still waiting to see what Phillip Rivers brother Stephen can do on LSU.


Matt Hasselback's brother completely sucked outside of getting a super hot wife, what Tim isn't he a fantasy anaylist on ESPN?


Maty Mauk is playing great this year for Missouri and he is the brother of Ben Mauk, don't think those two are related to Matt Mauk from LSU back in the day.


Colt McCoy's brother Case is winning games for Texas this year, but not sure he is better than Colt and that is not saying much considering Colt is not that great. He is a good leader like his brother though.


Carson Palmer's brother Jordan had tons of potential but never really used it much and did something with it. Hung around the league but nothing more than a backup so far.


Then you have Marcus Vick brother of Michael Vick. Seemed like he had it together at a point in time but never really could accomplish as much as he brother did because he was such a superior athlete.




And I am sure there are many more.....always fun to look at brothers and see how each of them do. Not to even mention all the other positions but is always interesting to see family lines and upbringing and how that can sometimes create a great prospect.

The Matthew brothers, that is insane what they might potentially be able to do considering their Hall of Fame dad. And the Long boys are big time, with Chris doing well and Kyle playing awesome at guard in the NFL. Product of your parents and upbringing more often than not.....



As for Derek Carr, physically he is nothing like his brother, but that might be a good thing considering his brother has not done much in the league. And with the quarterback friendly NFL who knows how good Derek could be....both him and his brother do have a low release point, something looks odd about it I feel, and neither one play with proper or good looking mechanics.
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Who was he supposed to throw the ball to? Andre couldn't catch every pass.

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You can't look at the fact Derek is David's brother so they must be the same. Aaron Rodgers is an elite qb. Jordan is nothing like that.

Sean glennon was garbage as a prospect. But mike glennon looks very consistent and progressing as at least a quality back/average starter.

Derek Carr is shattering his brothers records and he looks better as a prospect.
Mike Glennon is looking like the best QB of this past draft. Geno Smith is pretty mediocre considering most on this board had him pegged as the first overall pick, the Jets are winning with defense and a strong running. Manuel has been injured but has not really inspired much confidence when playing - he was way overdrafted.
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Sean Glennon had the physical tools his little brother had, in fact he was bigger overall with the same booming arm. He just wasn't a good QB. Not accurate and the game seemed too fast for him.

Mike Glennon is just more talented from the neck up than his big brother.

Little bros do often outshine their older siblings.

Gronkowski is way better than his big bro who played TE at Maryland.
There are more examples...just can't think of them right now.

Derek Carr looks like a guy who's stock is going to skyrocket before the draft.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he was the 2nd QB taken after Bridgewater.
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I think the Bears are going to franchise Cutler, who has been pretty good when healthy.

I think they will then look in rounds 2-4 for a QB that Trestman can work with and develop.

A.J McCarron and Aaron Murray strike me as the type of technicians that Trestman may want.
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Then you have Marcus Vick brother of Michael Vick. Seemed like he had it together at a point in time but never really could accomplish as much as he brother did because he was such a superior athlete.
I think the hype for Marcus was unreal, everybody was expecting him to blow up but he never even remotely lived up to "Michael's little brother". I believe the Dolphins got him, and wanted him to be a WR.
Also of note is the whole situation in college when he stepped on Kiwanuka with his cleats puncturing him. Yeah...

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I think the Bears are going to franchise Cutler, who has been pretty good when healthy.

I think they will then look in rounds 2-4 for a QB that Trestman can work with and develop.

A.J McCarron and Aaron Murray strike me as the type of technicians that Trestman may want.
It could make sense to franchise Cutler, take a guy like McCarron/Murray/Mettenberger maybe in rounds 2-4, see how things go.
It really depends on what kind of contract Cutler is expecting.
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Mike Glennon is looking like the best QB of this past draft. Geno Smith is pretty mediocre considering most on this board had him pegged as the first overall pick, the Jets are winning with defense and a strong running. Manuel has been injured but has not really inspired much confidence when playing - he was way overdrafted.

I believe by the end of the draft process, the general opinion was that the QB class was pretty mediocre and I also agree that Buffalo reached a ton by taking Manuel that high, simply out of desperation..

I now think that this year's class is the exact opposite, solid and deep and will provide a lot of pro QB's. How many turn out to be true franchise QB's only time will tell.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:23 AM    (permalink
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I believe by the end of the draft process, the general opinion was that the QB class was pretty mediocre and I also agree that Buffalo reached a ton by taking Manuel that high, simply out of desperation..

I now think that this year's class is the exact opposite, solid and deep and will provide a lot of pro QB's. How many turn out to be true franchise QB's only time will tell.
Yea it will be interesting to see if Buffalo gets a QB fairly early next year as well. Same with the Jets.
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The more I watch Derek Carr, the more I feel he's gotta be a first round caliber quarterback. Yes his footwork needs some fixing but his blend arm strength and quick release are unlike any other quarterback in this draft class. I feel he'll never get past Chicago in May; seems like the type of player Marc Trestman would bring in and turn into a star.
I'll copy/paste from the mock thread....Carr is like a slightly bigger Colt McCoy. His arm is a little bigger but not by much. All the intangibles and production match and I think Carr will also get a shot at being a starter, but won't pan out and ultimately be better suited as a back up. Under pressure, they both have the mobility to scramble, but don't make enough plays with their arms.
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