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Old 11-19-2013, 03:55 PM    (permalink
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The PATS were just gifted a PI penalty on the 3rd and 10 pass to Dobson out of bounds 3 plays before the last play.
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Old 11-19-2013, 04:06 PM    (permalink
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The PATS were just gifted a PI penalty on the 3rd and 10 pass to Dobson out of bounds 3 plays before the last play.
Gifted by whom? The DB that clearly made contact before the ball arrived?
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The PATS were just gifted a PI penalty on the 3rd and 10 pass to Dobson out of bounds 3 plays before the last play.
And the McCourty holding call was bogus because Olsen had his arm pinned.

I'm resigned to the results. New England didn't make enough plays to win. Doesn't take away from some questionable calls.
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Gifted by whom? The DB that clearly made contact before the ball arrived?
If that is enough contact then defense is illegal defense. And the ball was near uncatchable on top.
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And the McCourty holding call was bogus because Olsen had his arm pinned.

I'm resigned to the results. New England didn't make enough plays to win. Doesn't take away from some questionable calls.
I found that play interesting. Left me wondering if this is something WR/TE have been doing for a while and it has gone unnoticed until caught on camera. Is this going to be a tactic we see more often to take advantage of PI and defensive holding rules?
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except no one's saying it shouldn't have been a penalty because he didn't come back, so it's in fact nothing like your little strawman example. everyone's saying he should've come back to make sure they called a penalty. please stop, read, think, and stop trying to put words in everyone else's mouth.
I think you're the one putting words in people mouths. I am referring to the refs not calling an interference call that should have been called regardless of Gronks reaction.

Gronk didn't cost his team that penalty, the refs cost that team the penalty.

I'm talking about refs and you're talking about other posters, yourself included, so stop putting words in my mouth. Thanks
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Doesn't matter, interference is interference anyway you look at it.

To me, there's no difference between a receiver getting wrapped up on a play that was or was not catchable than an WR getting called for holding at the line of scrimmage on the backside of a play.

By that type of reasoning, if a play is run to the opposite side of the field, no offensive holding should be called.
You can interfere with whoever the **** you want to if the ball isn't catchable. That's the rule...

And that's what the refs determined, with the help of Gronk himself who admitted the ball wasn't catchable by not making any effort whatsoever to get to it.
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And the McCourty holding call was bogus because Olsen had his arm pinned.

I'm resigned to the results. New England didn't make enough plays to win. Doesn't take away from some questionable calls.
I watched that play and rewinded it and watched it again about 10 times. McCourty's right arms was pinned but his left arm might have been wrapped around Olsen. To me it looked more like 2 middle schoolers awkwardly dry humping at a school dance thna defensive holding.
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You can interfere with whoever the **** you want to if the ball isn't catchable. That's the rule...

And that's what the refs determined, with the help of Gronk himself who admitted the ball wasn't catchable by not making any effort whatsoever to get to it.
Yes but normally the play is called when it's thrown out of bounds, or 10 foot over a guys head, not just a few yards short.

If a receivers near that should have been called. Gronk did nothing wrong.
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feel free to have a chat with yourself, then get back to me. but it's cool, maybe you can just lash out and call vidae a homer or something again.

or, alternately, you're just tilting at windmills and really want to say something everyone has basically agreed with hundreds of times already.
Again, talking about refs arguing differently...
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I just have to say....I'm really enjoying listening to Patriots nation complain about the Refs. What goes around comes around is all i got to say. hahahahahahahaha
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that's a ridiculous conclusion to come to. if he'd fought, he probably gets the call. instead, he shows less than no interest in making the catch, making it appear that he really didn't have any chance at it. there was a lackadaisical plant to tell the officials that he could've caught it, nothing else. let's try to be slightly objective, here.
Please, enlighten me on how he was supposed to fight back towards the football. His only option there is to use his hands to disengage with Kuechly which is against the rules, or to try and sell the penalty more by throwing his arms up.



He clearly plants to make his move to get back to the football, however at that moment his base isn't square, and he has absolutely no momentum to get towards the ball with Kuechly draped all over him with momentum behind him. The contact was seen by the ref, hence the flag. He would have ended up at the same spot at the end of the play regardless of how animated he was selling the PI penaly.

The call was blown because the ref is a moron. Any notion that Gronk could have somehow worked his way towards the ball shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how physics works.
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:08 PM    (permalink
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oh stop it. he doesn't plant. he makes no move to come back. and if you're arguing that that's the best he could do, then it truly was uncatchable and your argument is ridiculous on its face.

was it interference (or whatever penalty you'd like to call)? sure. did gronkowski do *anything* to try to get back to the ball? absolutely not. people have already posted gifs of gronkowski actually wanting to catch a football that was behind him, with the defender running into him. the effort was wildly different.
That video isn't relevant to this situation at all. Not only is it a different opponent, on a different part of the field, with the ball thrown to a different spot, but lets hold a single play as an indictment of what a player should be capable of as the norm. I guess we should assume Marshawn Lynch should break 10 tackles every play because he did it once. Gronk tried to plant and get back to the football, and was interfered with. It's as simple as that.

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Just to run out the string. What do you think about the fact that the vast majority of DPI penalties result with some sort of unnatural movement and herky-jerky body language that usually bleeds into frustration or at least a slight reaction?

Rather than the calm, accepting, almost limp come-to-balance with absolutely no reaction that Gronk showed?
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Just to run out the string. What do you think about the fact that the vast majority of DPI penalties result with some sort of unnatural movement and herky-jerky body language that usually bleeds into frustration or at least a slight reaction?

Rather than the calm, accepting, almost limp come-to-balance with absolutely no reaction that Gronk showed?
If only he had thrown his arms up, or maybe fell over, they would've got one more play. In today's film session I'm sure Belichick gave him his extra-serious face and told him, "Rob - you've got to flop in that situation."
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If only he had thrown his arms up, or maybe fell over, they would've got one more play. In today's film session I'm sure Belichick gave him his extra-serious face and told him, "Rob - you've got to flop in that situation."
The point isn't that he should have flopped. The point is that an unwanted reaction to a foul (an unacted real flop) is usually the result of a guy getting interfered with a chance at the ball.

And yes, had he fell or threw his arms up, things might have been different - right or wrong. Refs react to what they see. That would have undoubtedly influenced it.
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I doubt Belichick and Gronkowski are in the same filmroom.
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The point isn't that he should have flopped. The point is that an unwanted reaction to a foul (an unacted real flop) is usually the result of a guy getting interfered with a chance at the ball.

And yes, had he fell or threw his arms up, things might have been different - right or wrong. Refs react to what they see. That would have undoubtedly influenced it.
Situations yield different reactions. In the moment Gronk was probably more focused on seeing the last play of the game rather than trying to draw a flag. Had it been 2nd and 6 in the 1st quarter maybe he makes a bigger scene about it.
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that's the stupidest comparison i've read on the nfl board in a long time.
A far more laughable comparison was made a few posts ago, when you compared an underthrown fade route against a safety as a demonstrative situation of what Gronk should have been able to do in this situation.

Demonstrating how horrible that rationale is when applied in a similar situation isn't a stupid comparison at all. It simply shows how inane your premise was to begin with.

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whatever. fine, you're right. gronkowski put 100% effort into coming back for what was a clearly uncatchable football. he was incapable of coming back for it at all, regardless of the presence of kuechly, and the correct call was made.
The video says it all bro. You can shrug, attempt to allude to some kind of cognitive dissonance that exists nowhere except your own mind, or do whatever njx type thing you want. Your point still sucks.
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The fact that many of you think a 260 pound man running at tremendous speed can react to an underthrown ball by stopping on a dime, turning essentially 180 degrees, and then re-accelerating in 2 steps to cover enough ground to make a play on this football is asinine.
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The fact that many of you think a 260 pound man running at tremendous speed can react to an underthrown ball by stopping on a dime, turning essentially 180 degrees, and then re-accelerating in 2 steps to cover enough ground to make a play on this football is asinine.
Gronk isn't a man.
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The fact that many of you think a 260 pound man running at tremendous speed can react to an underthrown ball by stopping on a dime, turning essentially 180 degrees, and then re-accelerating in 2 steps to cover enough ground to make a play on this football is asinine.
Hah, Gronkowski laughs at your laws of motion.
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The fact that many of you think a 260 pound man running at tremendous speed can react to an underthrown ball by stopping on a dime, turning essentially 180 degrees, and then re-accelerating in 2 steps to cover enough ground to make a play on this football is asinine.
You never know what can happen in the context of a play. We've seen a lot of unusual acts of athleticism in the NFL. Even so, the ball could have bounced off the intercepting defenders hands and into Gronkowski's hands. You never know what can happen.
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Unusual athleticism? Laws of motion are as usual of natural forces as it gets. You can't just turn around because you try really hard and some magical diety watching the game deems you the chosen one.
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