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Old 11-25-2013, 10:48 AM    (permalink
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A&M has this quarterback whose name elude me but he is a pretty big part of that success. and Mizzou benefits from playing in a weak division of the SEC. their only real test was against SCar, a loss. UGA and Florida have been decated by injuries and the rest of the east has been bad recently. If you are arguing that the sec isnt that great because two big twelve teams have been successful it is a very flawed one
No, but there was a guy who posted earlier "How many people think their non-SEC team would do better in the SEC than where they are now?" It's funny bc A&M and Missouri are bother better now than they were before they joined.
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The my conference is better than your conference boast is probably the dumbest thing ever. Yes, the Southeast produces the best football players in aggregate. That's because youth and college football is culturally more important in the Southeast. I don't know why people get all up in a knot about it.

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Better question, which conference than produces the most bust?
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No, but there was a guy who posted earlier "How many people think their non-SEC team would do better in the SEC than where they are now?" It's funny bc A&M and Missouri are bother better now than they were before they joined.
They became better just by joining the SEC!
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Missouri is over rated being ranked in the top 10 and they will prob lose this week to A&M or get blown out by bama. A&M has a better chance to stick bc of where they are located and UT being down. But lets see what happends to them if they lose there QB and maybe even coach.
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You shouldn't just walk into the SEC East and a year later dominate it like they did. Not if it's such an incredible conference. The thing about the SEC most people don't get is that there are more good teams, not a slew of teams who would win every other conference running away. There is just less crap. It's deeper.
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dominate it? they haven't even played a team in the west. they beat georgia, who was obliterated by injuries, florida who is terrible AND injured, and tennessee, who (sorry), just plain sucks. the only real team in the east is SCar and that was a loss for mizzou

and sarcasm aside i believe that being in the sec helps recruiting in some ways because a lot of these kids want to play against the best

edit: excuse me. missouri beat ole miss
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an overtime loss. I don't care that they didn't play a West team, I said "walk into the SEC East and a year later dominate it."

all these kids were recruited when the teams were in the Big 12. No SEC recruits out there kicking butt making these teams win all those games. And really, Missouri should've beaten Carolina, but oh well. You can't make excuses. Texas A&M and Missouri both got way better once they joined the SEC. Explain that! That shouldn't happen if it's such an amazing conference. Florida and Georgia and Tennesee and South Carolina aren't supposed to stink like that. The SEC East is part of the SEC last I checked.
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I see your point so lets take a quick look:

LSU OOC 4-0 (W - #20 TCU, UAB, Kent State, Furman)
Auburn OOC 4-0 (W - Wash St., Ark St., Western Carolina, Florida Atlantic)
Mississippi St OOC 3-1 (W - Alcorn St., Bowling Green, Troy. L - OK St.)
Kentucky OOC 2-2 (W - Miami(OH), Alabama St. L - Wstrn Kentucky, #7 Louisville)
Florida OOC 1-2 (W - Toledo L - Miami, Georgia Southern.) *
Tennessee OOC 3-1 (W - Austin Peay, W Kentucky, S Alabama L - Oregon)
Georgia OOC 2-1 (W - N Texas, App St. L - Clemson) *
South CarolinaOOC 3-0 (W - N Carolina, UCF, Coast Carolina) *
Missouri OOC 4-0 (W - Murray St., Indiana, Toledo, Ark St.)
Ole Miss OOC 4-0 (W - SE Missouri, Texas, Idaho, Troy)
Texas A&M OOC 4-0 (W - Rice, Sam Houston, UTEP, SMU)
Arkansas OOC 3-1 (W - UL-Lafayette, Samford, S Miss L - Rutgers)
Vanderbilt OOC 3-0 (W - Austin Peay, UAB, UMass) *

* = Still has a OOC opponent to play
Record against BCS teams: 7-6 (counting Bama's win over VT) with only USC having a quality OOC win at the moment vs. UCF.

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Clemson @ South Carolina
Georgia @ Georgia Tech
Wake Forest @ Vanderbilt

Also props to South Carolina, an OOC of UNC, UCF, and Clemson is really impressive given the conference norms.

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an overtime loss. I don't care that they didn't play a West team, I said "walk into the SEC East and a year later dominate it."

all these kids were recruited when the teams were in the Big 12. No SEC recruits out there kicking butt making these teams win all those games. And really, Missouri should've beaten Carolina, but oh well. You can't make excuses. Texas A&M and Missouri both got way better once they joined the SEC. Explain that! That shouldn't happen if it's such an amazing conference. Florida and Georgia and Tennesee and South Carolina aren't supposed to stink like that. The SEC East is part of the SEC last I checked.
They haven't dominated as much as they've been the benefactor of tremendous fortune (like Florida last year). They caught UF and UGA teams that were shells of their preseason selves from injuries then lost to the only team who hadn't been ravaged by injuries in USC. USC caught a healthier UGA team early in the season and lost, had that game been when Missouri played them they win easily.

What they have done is impressive yes, but hardly dominant given the circumstances surrounding the games.
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Missouri will lose atleast once more this year when they face a quality team either this week to A&M or next week to bama. It wouldn't surprise me if they lose to whoever they may play in bowl game.
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Oh, I guess going 6-1 on the verge of winning their division in their second year of the SEC doesn't prove my original point though? Give me a break. Alabama, Auburn, and LSU are the only SEC teams this year who might be better than A&M and Missouri.
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an overtime loss. I don't care that they didn't play a West team, I said "walk into the SEC East and a year later dominate it."

all these kids were recruited when the teams were in the Big 12. No SEC recruits out there kicking butt making these teams win all those games. And really, Missouri should've beaten Carolina, but oh well. You can't make excuses. Texas A&M and Missouri both got way better once they joined the SEC. Explain that! That shouldn't happen if it's such an amazing conference. Florida and Georgia and Tennesee and South Carolina aren't supposed to stink like that. The SEC East is part of the SEC last I checked.
yes, the SEC East is part of the SEC. Texas A&M got better because the only freshman to ever win the Heisman became their starting quarterback in their first SEC season. Missouri was awful last season, lest we forget. the only conference teams they beat were Kentucky and Tennessee (in OT). this year they are dominating a weak division, yes. but the balance of power, as in any conference anywhere, is constantly shifting. Missouri's in-conference schedule is a joke. they don't have to play Alabama, LSU, or Auburn. two of the three challenging games were drastically altered by injuries. nobody said it's the most balanced conference in the country.
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What s funny is everyone keeps mentioning 4 teams of the sec, top heavy much?
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Oh, I guess going 6-1 on the verge of winning their division in their second year of the SEC doesn't prove my original point though? Give me a break. Alabama, Auburn, and LSU are the only SEC teams this year who might be better than A&M and Missouri.
USC beat Missouri, I think they proved they ARE better.
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What s funny is everyone keeps mentioning 4 teams of the sec, top heavy much?
But they are so good because they play each other.

Until someone beats one of their asses in the championship game, the circular logic works just fine.
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what conference isn't "top-heavy"? do you want a conference full of top 25 teams because, news flash, that's not remotely possible with 8 conference games. the SEC does, however, have more top 25 teams (6) than any other conference.

edit: this isn't to say there isn't some bias toward the SEC in those rankings, but I don't know what you guys are asking for at this point
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USC beat Missouri, I think they proved they ARE better.
in overtime on a fluke FG miss......they lost to Tennessee and Georgia...doesn't that prove they might not be?
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in overtime on a fluke FG miss......they lost to Tennessee and Georgia...doesn't that prove they might not be?
Summarizing our victory over Mizzou as just a fluke overtime win is incredibly lazy. We actually moved the ball decently well with Thompson in, but we were undercut by two fumbles in Mizzou territory the from the normally sure-handed Mike Davis. Outside of a few big plays, our defense did a pretty good job, holding them to their season lows in points and yardage within regulation time. Once Shaw was put back in, we scored seventeen straight points in just about a quarter and a half. And all of this was done on the road.

We didn't back into victory as you seem to imply. We very much earned that win.

Regarding our losses, we lost to a mostly healthy Georgia, which was legitimately one of the best teams in the nation, not the depleted, Todd Gurley-less team that Missouri played. As for Tennessee, since you apparently like to discount flukes, if it weren't for an extremely impressive one-handed catch by Marquez North, a catch that nine out of ten times is dropped, we win that game. Tennessee did play better than we should have let them, but both losses are not nearly as cut-and-dry as you want to imply.
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this Missouri argument holds no water regardless of the South Carolina game. they joined the SEC at a time where the east division is in shambles for a variety of reasons. this doesn't make the SEC as a whole a weak conference, the west division alone shows that. the argument is that the conference is the best in NCAA football, which at this point is pretty much indisputable. when the power balances and east teams like UGA, UF, USC are all at the level they have been the past decade or so, you'll see Missouri struggling to compete unless they start pulling top level recruiting classes.

all of this said, anyone who roots for the SEC because their team plays in the SEC is a dipshit. I hope every SEC team loses every game always unless they play Florida State
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this Missouri argument holds no water regardless of the South Carolina game. they joined the SEC at a time where the east division is in shambles for a variety of reasons. this doesn't make the SEC as a whole a weak conference, the west division alone shows that. the argument is that the conference is the best in NCAA football, which at this point is pretty much indisputable. when the power balances and east teams like UGA, UF, USC are all at the level they have been the past decade or so, you'll see Missouri struggling to compete unless they start pulling top level recruiting classes.

all of this said, anyone who roots for the SEC because their team plays in the SEC is a dipshit. I hope every SEC team loses every game always unless they play Florida State
This is pretty much my mentality. I have too much hate for most SEC teams to ever root for them to win.
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I responded to this a few days ago, but for some reason, it doesn't appear. *shrugs* Guess I'll just repeat myself.

I DO believe the SEC is WAAAAY overhyped. Living 30 miles from Starkville, I'm firmly entrenched in SEC country, and being a Gator fan, I'm a fan of the SEC. However, IF the SEC is the best conference in football (which is debatable IMO), it certainly is not ahead by a mile. Most people compare the conference to everybody else like the Patriots playing my local high school. That's just ridiculous.

The SEC gets a lot of hype for having 7 straight National Champions, BUT take a look at those champs.

Florida and Alabama had/have dynasty type programs.
Auburn had a special year from Heisman winner Cam Newton.
LSU won a title with 2 losses - which wouldn't have happened in an ordinary year.

Granted, looking at their bowl records since their NC run started...

2012 6-3
2011 6-3
2010 5-5
2009 6-4
2008 6-2
2007 7-2
2006 3-2

They're also 10-4 in BCS bowls over that same run (7-1 in National Championship Games, 3-3 in Sugar Bowls).
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