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Old 11-21-2013, 07:54 AM    (permalink
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Hard to win with a 31 point quarter for the opposition. Too many crazy bad plays in a small time frame. Oh well, chase that 2nd wild card, which is wide wide open. Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cleveland, the Jets, San Diego, Miami, Buffalo, Oakland, and Tennessee all still have hope. Not so much Tennesee with their QB pretty much done, but the rest could get hot and get in.
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Would you guys rather reach on a quarterback like Manziel or Carr with your 2nd 1st round pick? Or use that selection to address a position of need and hope one of the viable QB falls to your 2nd round pick?
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I'm not so sure right now I'd view either as a viable option in the 2nd. Subject to change but it's Bridgewater, Bortles or late round guy for me now.
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Would you guys want to trade up and Get Teddy, or do you want to see what you have in Hoyer for the time being?
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Depends what we have to give up for Ted. I would give both our firsts this year and a third for him. Due to the shallow class he is even a lager commodity so it will be even more difficult to obtain him.
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If he was available somehow, I'd be for getting him even at a high cost. I like him more than Griffin or Bradford.
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I think the Browns will target a QB near the top of the first round and move up to get him if necessary. Hoyer is a nice stopgap probably, doesn't have the tools of a true franchise, elite QB though so his upside is probably limited.
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It is going to be impossible to acquire Bridgewater unless a # of GM's really doubt his talent level. Houston is desperate for a QB so there is zero chance he gets past them.

IMO, Shanahan will likely be fired so RG 111 will also be unavailable as will Bradford.

It is a deep QB class so maybe if we are lucky, we get somebody solid later in round 1 or even round 2 although I won't be holding my breath.

Perhaps, Cutler could be had although it really doesn't excite me too much. As usual, we are caught between a rock and a hard place in the draft.

Let's hope Manziel and Carr blow it up at the Senior Bowl and the combine and more favourable options open up for us, otherwise it will be another long season next year.
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Not true. If Houston manages to beat the Titans and the Giants beat the Redskins, St.Louis gets the #1 pick and the trade gates are wide open.
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Not true. If Houston manages to beat the Titans and the Giants beat the Redskins, St.Louis gets the #1 pick and the trade gates are wide open.
Your probably talking about 2 teams, Houston and the Giants, who have pretty well given up on the season, so the likelihood that both win is very small. But, if St. Louis does manage to end up with the #1 overall pick then indeed, a trade would be possible as long as St. Louis is confident they can trade back and still get Matthews LT, with their pick.
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There goes continuity, why would a GM fire his hire after one season????? Can someone explain this to me????? Is it his fault that we have no franchise QB???? Great start to a 3-5 year plan.
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So Is kicker brandon bogotay is on your roster/IR or has he been cut? I couldn't figure it out on the website?
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I think he's on IR.
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Did he play in any games? I find it odd as he never got on the field in college but was suppose to be a kickoff specialist
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1.) The coaching situation is what it is. Undesirable. At this point, it seems itís Josh McDanielsí job if he wants it. I donít like it, and Iím hoping heís learned from recent experiences, but this team wasnít attracting a great candidate. Great candidates have options. Someone with options isnít choosing to work for a perennial cellar-dweller where the last coach got fired after his first season. Regardless of the results of that season, it seems Chud was promised a transition period when he took the job and then wasnít awarded the benefit of the doubt. An unstable quarterback situation and defensive meltdowns cost him. At least, thatís the current perception.

Itís clear that Banner is the authoritative voice within the organization. Heís closest to Haslamís ear and, if I recall, Banner was the first person that Haslam hired. Heís the final decision-maker on personnel matters. For all intents and purposes, itís Bannerís team. When evaluating a jobís prospectus, coaches arenít filing an overbearing team president under their ďpositivesĒ.

As an aside, Iíve heard some float the idea that firing Chud after a single season shows the boldness thatís required to win a championship. Ignoring the ridiculous belief that all aspects of this franchise can be raised to a championship standard in such a short window, there might be truth to Chud exhibiting disconcerting behaviors and tendencies. Even then, with a limited scope of information regarding the specifics, I still donít agree with firing him. But, at this point, thatís neither here nor there. Letís assume Banner made the correct decision and Chud deserved the axe. The same brain trust is hiring the next coach less than twelve months after a spectacular failure picking the last coach. And, given their actions, thatís their own admission.

Curious to see whether the rumors regarding Jim Schwartz as defensive coordinator and Gunther Cunningham as a defensive assistant are true. If so, I hope Schwartz shows heís flexible. The Browns donít have the personnel to split the front like Detroit did.

2.) Quarterback sits at the top of the wish listÖagain. It seems Bridgewater is out of the picture. I would be surprised (and, to be quite honest, a little alarmed) if Houston didnít take him. If he survives the vetting, heís the perfect pick. Itís smart to pair a clean, talented kid with an offensive-minded head coach.

So that leaves the Browns with Bortles, Manziel, and a potential trade partner sitting at number two overall. Itís tough to project a prospectís eventual stock before the postseason draft process even starts, but I believe one of the two will be available at four if the Browns just wanted to hold the line and protect their stockpile of picks. That said, if the room assigns a much higher grade and/or feels more confident in one of them hitting their upside, then I donít have a problem with moving up to get that quarterback. Plus, I think St. Louis is a safe bet to be interested. Dropping two spots doesnít take them out of their top tier and gives them even more ammunition to improve a team thatís mired in the toughest division in football.

Now, I need to watch a lot more of Bortles. Iíll be the first to admit that I havenít seen enough of him for a fair assessment. First impression was a prospect with a good frame, a good arm, a good box of overall tools, and a good ceiling. And a prospect thatís a good quarterback developer from reaching that ceiling. From what Iíve seen, thereís a decent amount of Bortlesí game that needs refinement and work. Which might work if Hoyerís given a legitimate crack at the job. Thatís what interviews and visits are for. To figure out what Bortles knows, what he needs to know, what heís comfortable with, what heís not comfortable with, how heís done mechanical work, and how he learns/processes information. If heís impressive in interviews, and game tapes/coaches/former coaches/teammates/ex-teammates/trainers affirm his work ethic at Central Florida, then the gamble becomes more tempting.

Right now, I think Manziel is a better quarterback than Bortles. And, even though Iíve got to see more of both, heís an interesting challenger to Bridgewater. Manzielís best trait is spontaneous genius. Heís an elite NFL talent in that regard. An improvisational magician. He can rise above Xís and Oís and make things happen outside of scheme. Success within structure is still the defining characteristic of an NFL quarterback though. An offense canít create chaos and sustain success. But I still think Manziel meets benchmarks in those areas of the passing game. There are still improvements to be made, but I like what Iíve seen at Texas A&M. His arm strength question will be magnified given Clevelandís climate, so that will warrant some extra discussion. Worried less about his size than most. Itís a different NFL now. Would like to see more core strength. Become a little thicker through the trunk. Wouldnít preclude me from picking him. I see more of an extender and scrambler than an outright runner in the NFL.

That said, I hope each team does their homework on the off-field issues. Perhaps Iím old school, but a sizeable part of Manzielís stock would be tied to interviews. Some intriguing things came out during the summer. Parents stating that their son is borderline unrecognizable in a national magazine. Rampant alcoholism allegations. Erratic behavior around therapists. Jet-setting with the stars. Entrusting his best friend with all of his business affairs. Those arenít endearing qualities in a franchise quarterback. Now, Iím not condemning him on account of all those issues. Thereís plausible explanations. Perhaps his parents are overprotective. Perhaps reports (like showing up to Manningís camp with a debilitating hangover) arenít true. Perhaps he went through a period of immature behavior, and sudden superstardom blinded him somewhat, but heís since gained perspective and grown up. I donít know what the truth is. Teams just need to do their homework. Because that stuff does matter.

3.) As far as other personnel goes, a question snuck up on me: How safe is Joe Thomas? Heís been a franchise cornerstone since April 2007, but Iím not sure heís untouchable. Heís 29. Heís under contract through 2018. Heís got cap hits of $12.3 million in 2014, $10.2 million in 2015, $9.5 million in 2016, and $10 million in both 2017 and 2018. And, if we deal him in the offseason, I donít believe the Browns eat much dead cash. I think itíd be $2.4 million to save over $50 million in salaries. If heís not dealt this offseason, I donít think the Browns would eat any dead money in 2015 and beyond if they part ways, so theyíve got cap flexibility.

For the record, Iím not supporting such a power move. It just seems like something that might be on Bannerís radar. Thomas is approaching the wrong side of 30. Heís been a consistent All-Pro performer throughout his career, and heís still a great pass protector, but his run-blocking is uninspiring and thereís perception of an overall drop-off. Banner doesnít like aging veterans with high cap holds and heís entertained trade offers for franchise cornerstones. If he wanted to reshuffle the offensive line, and could net another first-round pick for Thomas, I think heíd consider it. For example, if the Browns drafted Manziel, I could see the thought process being to bolster the middle of the line and survive with a passable bookend of tackles. The center and guards are the linemen that need to keep interior passing lanes open for a shorter passer and prevent the pocket from collapsing. Given consistent room to step up, Manziel has the short-area burst to avoid edge-rushers one-on-one. At that point, is Thomas worth the price tag?

That said, Banner made Jon Runyan the highest-paid offensive linemen in NFL history with a six-year deal at the age of 27, retained him through the length of that contract, and committed roughly 8% of the total cap at the time (similar to Thomas) to him. So thereís precedent for keeping him, too.

Elsewhere on offense, Iím excited about the depth of the receiver class. This team should be able to add a legitimate complement opposite Gordon within the first three rounds. I wouldnít mind going quarterback/receiver in the first if the value is there. If an offensive coach is hired, and a rookie quarterback is drafted with the fourth overall pick, then give them some more weapons to use. Rookie QB, Gordon, rookie WR, and Cameron isnít a bad foundation. Bess was bad this season, but heís got a nice skill set for the slot, so perhaps he can rebound. Who knows what happens with Little or Benjamin. Still canít run the ball, so a running back and a guard (or two) would be useful.

On defense, it depends on the scheme. If itís still the 3-4, an inside linebacker with coverage skills and better range is needed to next to DíQwell. If itís a 4-3, Kruger drops down as a base end. At that point, a premier pass rusher opposite Kruger would be needed. Mingo couldnít do it. Heís likelier to assimilate to coverage responsibilities and find opportunities as a creative blitzer at either strongside or weakside. Still think another outside linebacker would be needed. Could be in the market for a pair of safeties, a nickel corner, and defensive line depth regardless of front.
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1.) The coaching situation is what it is. Undesirable. At this point, it seems itís Josh McDanielsí job if he wants it. I donít like it, and Iím hoping heís learned from recent experiences, but this team wasnít attracting a great candidate. Great candidates have options. Someone with options isnít choosing to work for a perennial cellar-dweller where the last coach got fired after his first season. Regardless of the results of that season, it seems Chud was promised a transition period when he took the job and then wasnít awarded the benefit of the doubt. An unstable quarterback situation and defensive meltdowns cost him. At least, thatís the current perception.

Itís clear that Banner is the authoritative voice within the organization. Heís closest to Haslamís ear and, if I recall, Banner was the first person that Haslam hired. Heís the final decision-maker on personnel matters. For all intents and purposes, itís Bannerís team. When evaluating a jobís prospectus, coaches arenít filing an overbearing team president under their ďpositivesĒ.

As an aside, Iíve heard some float the idea that firing Chud after a single season shows the boldness thatís required to win a championship. Ignoring the ridiculous belief that all aspects of this franchise can be raised to a championship standard in such a short window, there might be truth to Chud exhibiting disconcerting behaviors and tendencies. Even then, with a limited scope of information regarding the specifics, I still donít agree with firing him. But, at this point, thatís neither here nor there. Letís assume Banner made the correct decision and Chud deserved the axe. The same brain trust is hiring the next coach less than twelve months after a spectacular failure picking the last coach. And, given their actions, thatís their own admission.

Pure speculation here but I think the crux of the firing may have been a disconnect between the coach and the GM. It's possible they just didn't agree on the direction of the team. Banner would then be just doing his job and taking the pr bullet and solving the problem. The QB situation may have been the key aspect. To fire your coach after you've had 3 different starting QBs is odd unless you feel the coach carries a good degree of the blame for the situation.

Hoyer was Lombardi's guy. He may have been favoring Hoyer to start since training camp. It's odd for a team to jump it's 2nd string for the 3rd string. It could suggest Chud was acknowledging something brought up earlier. Combine that with rumors about him not agreeing with the TR trade and possibly vetoing Donald Brown in a package, the Rainey situation, refusing to cut a player, sticking with Weeden, and the losing out;...It all could have been taken as confirmation that this is not the guy they wanted steering the ship.

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Curious to see whether the rumors regarding Jim Schwartz as defensive coordinator and Gunther Cunningham as a defensive assistant are true. If so, I hope Schwartz shows heís flexible. The Browns donít have the personnel to split the front like Detroit did.
I think Horton did a fine job his first year implementing his system here. Browns defense is further along than Arizona's was his first season there. Losing Horton would be a serious disappointment for me. Schwartz hasn't had a good defense since he left Fisher in Tennessee.

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2.) Quarterback sits at the top of the wish listÖagain. It seems Bridgewater is out of the picture. I would be surprised (and, to be quite honest, a little alarmed) if Houston didnít take him. If he survives the vetting, heís the perfect pick. Itís smart to pair a clean, talented kid with an offensive-minded head coach.

So that leaves the Browns with Bortles, Manziel, and a potential trade partner sitting at number two overall. Itís tough to project a prospectís eventual stock before the postseason draft process even starts, but I believe one of the two will be available at four if the Browns just wanted to hold the line and protect their stockpile of picks. That said, if the room assigns a much higher grade and/or feels more confident in one of them hitting their upside, then I donít have a problem with moving up to get that quarterback. Plus, I think St. Louis is a safe bet to be interested. Dropping two spots doesnít take them out of their top tier and gives them even more ammunition to improve a team thatís mired in the toughest division in football.

Now, I need to watch a lot more of Bortles. Iíll be the first to admit that I havenít seen enough of him for a fair assessment. First impression was a prospect with a good frame, a good arm, a good box of overall tools, and a good ceiling. And a prospect thatís a good quarterback developer from reaching that ceiling. From what Iíve seen, thereís a decent amount of Bortlesí game that needs refinement and work. Which might work if Hoyerís given a legitimate crack at the job. Thatís what interviews and visits are for. To figure out what Bortles knows, what he needs to know, what heís comfortable with, what heís not comfortable with, how heís done mechanical work, and how he learns/processes information. If heís impressive in interviews, and game tapes/coaches/former coaches/teammates/ex-teammates/trainers affirm his work ethic at Central Florida, then the gamble becomes more tempting.

Right now, I think Manziel is a better quarterback than Bortles. And, even though Iíve got to see more of both, heís an interesting challenger to Bridgewater. Manzielís best trait is spontaneous genius. Heís an elite NFL talent in that regard. An improvisational magician. He can rise above Xís and Oís and make things happen outside of scheme. Success within structure is still the defining characteristic of an NFL quarterback though. An offense canít create chaos and sustain success. But I still think Manziel meets benchmarks in those areas of the passing game. There are still improvements to be made, but I like what Iíve seen at Texas A&M. His arm strength question will be magnified given Clevelandís climate, so that will warrant some extra discussion. Worried less about his size than most. Itís a different NFL now. Would like to see more core strength. Become a little thicker through the trunk. Wouldnít preclude me from picking him. I see more of an extender and scrambler than an outright runner in the NFL.

That said, I hope each team does their homework on the off-field issues. Perhaps Iím old school, but a sizeable part of Manzielís stock would be tied to interviews. Some intriguing things came out during the summer. Parents stating that their son is borderline unrecognizable in a national magazine. Rampant alcoholism allegations. Erratic behavior around therapists. Jet-setting with the stars. Entrusting his best friend with all of his business affairs. Those arenít endearing qualities in a franchise quarterback. Now, Iím not condemning him on account of all those issues. Thereís plausible explanations. Perhaps his parents are overprotective. Perhaps reports (like showing up to Manningís camp with a debilitating hangover) arenít true. Perhaps he went through a period of immature behavior, and sudden superstardom blinded him somewhat, but heís since gained perspective and grown up. I donít know what the truth is. Teams just need to do their homework. Because that stuff does matter.
Tony Pauline seems to think O'Brien would prefer Bortles to Bridgewater. I don't think that's happening but if it does...it opens a trade option with St.Louis. I agree on your take of Bortles vs Manziel. Something I've heard that I thought concerning, was that some think Bortles had better velocity as a soph. I can't imagine anything but an injury or structural issue would cause that. But that's purely speculative rumors and I haven't gotten around to looking at much of his soph tape myself.


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3.) As far as other personnel goes, a question snuck up on me: How safe is Joe Thomas? Heís been a franchise cornerstone since April 2007, but Iím not sure heís untouchable. Heís 29. Heís under contract through 2018. Heís got cap hits of $12.3 million in 2014, $10.2 million in 2015, $9.5 million in 2016, and $10 million in both 2017 and 2018. And, if we deal him in the offseason, I donít believe the Browns eat much dead cash. I think itíd be $2.4 million to save over $50 million in salaries. If heís not dealt this offseason, I donít think the Browns would eat any dead money in 2015 and beyond if they part ways, so theyíve got cap flexibility.

For the record, Iím not supporting such a power move. It just seems like something that might be on Bannerís radar. Thomas is approaching the wrong side of 30. Heís been a consistent All-Pro performer throughout his career, and heís still a great pass protector, but his run-blocking is uninspiring and thereís perception of an overall drop-off. Banner doesnít like aging veterans with high cap holds and heís entertained trade offers for franchise cornerstones. If he wanted to reshuffle the offensive line, and could net another first-round pick for Thomas, I think heíd consider it. For example, if the Browns drafted Manziel, I could see the thought process being to bolster the middle of the line and survive with a passable bookend of tackles. The center and guards are the linemen that need to keep interior passing lanes open for a shorter passer and prevent the pocket from collapsing. Given consistent room to step up, Manziel has the short-area burst to avoid edge-rushers one-on-one. At that point, is Thomas worth the price tag?

That said, Banner made Jon Runyan the highest-paid offensive linemen in NFL history with a six-year deal at the age of 27, retained him through the length of that contract, and committed roughly 8% of the total cap at the time (similar to Thomas) to him. So thereís precedent for keeping him, too.
There will be some tough decisions this off season. I think Mack and Ward could walk and DQ cut. Core guys like Gordon, Cameron, Haden, Sheard, Taylor, Skrine will need hefty new contracts in the near future.
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McDaniels just turned the Cleveland job down? Where do we go now. Firing a HC after one season isn't going to attract too many solid candidates.
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I hear the OC for Denver is our lead candidate, however, I thought Peyton was pretty well his own OC and calls his own plays, so why in the h-ll would you hire Denver's OC.
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Gase was there with Tebow also and pulled a playoff run out of him. He also helped get competent play from Jon Kitna in Detroit. And monster seasons from Brandon Marshall and Brandon Llyod. He's definitely an up and coming guy but I'm not sure he's ready yet.

My top choice is Darrell Bevell. I think this guy's ready to go.
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Gase was there with Tebow also and pulled a playoff run out of him. He also helped get competent play from Jon Kitna in Detroit. And monster seasons from Brandon Marshall and Brandon Llyod. He's definitely an up and coming guy but I'm not sure he's ready yet.

My top choice is Darrell Bevell. I think this guy's ready to go.
Well, you certainly make a solid case for Gase, I'm impressed. Bevell looks good too, but how do we attract the best with our firing tree. I wouldn't take the job if I had any chance at another hire, I might even wait a year rather than go to Cleveland.

The new HC will be under pressure to win right away or he would know that the GM might fire him quickly, or the GM gets fired and the new GM brings in his own HC. Not a pretty picture for a young HC to consider.
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It looks like we have reached the same point Al Davis reached in Oakland, where nobody decent would take a job from him except coaches with few qualifications. I suspect that is who we will end up hiring.
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Our front office and ownership keeps getting worse and worse since we came back. Freakin' clowns.
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