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Old 02-08-2014, 03:54 AM    (permalink
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You guys I think are in a two year retool window. With this being the first year of that.

For the draft I think
1. Greg Robinson OT
2. Morgan Moses OT/OG
3. Brandin Cooks WR
4. Tre Mason RB
5. Andre Williams RB

I see reloading on offense is the best thing you can do while getting the salary cap back in order. Taking Robinson and Moses lets you protect Ryan better while also letting you cutting the high priced Baker etc... Back to Back RB's lets you walk away from Jackson who is old and save some cash. Cooks is a burner that can fit with the core of Jones, White and Harry more weapons for Ryan.
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Hell no. I would jump ship.
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I am starting to lean heavily towards Khalil Mack at 6, he strikes me as a guy who can just do so much and do it so well, especially getting to the passer. We lack that, and his skillset is so good he'd be great in that versatile role that Nolan likes to use Kroy. I just think he can provide more impact, and I doubt we get Clowney
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I would be fine with Mack. Defense needs to be the move.
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I'm not so sure that defense needs to be the move. We have a hole in every position on offense. Then again, the whole team is a mess.
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I'm not so sure that defense needs to be the move. We have a hole in every position on offense. Then again, the whole team is a mess.
What? We are much better off at QB/WR/RB than at any defensiva position. You can win a SB with what we have on offense but we cannot do it with what we have on defense. It's been that way for years. No big defensiva playmakers save Abe for a couple of years.
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I'm not so sure that defense needs to be the move. We have a hole in every position on offense. Then again, the whole team is a mess.
Pretty negative outlook there Nancy. We're not that far off from being an elite team.
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In the forum vote mock we got Clowney/Donald. I can't imagine a better scenario.
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What? We are much better off at QB/WR/RB than at any defensiva position. You can win a SB with what we have on offense but we cannot do it with what we have on defense. It's been that way for years. No big defensiva playmakers save Abe for a couple of years.
I agree we need to go defense. This team badly needs a defensive playmaker.

However, the offense is not what it used to be with this o-line. Matt Ryan can't make smart decisions and accurate passes if he's not protected. Roddy is getting old and injured, and so is our starting RB. We also don't have a TE to throw to. The only real bright spot on offense is Julio Jones, and he's coming off a big injury.
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Roddy looked good after he was healthy, same as ever. He is fine. I would cut Jackson. We can make good with less pricey backs. I have hope for Toilolo.
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I have no hope for Toilolo, I hated that pick, and when he wiffed a game winner that was in his hands it just confirmed everything I'll ever need to know about the kid. Not an NFL caliber player, huge, but not a player.

But I agree, I think Jackson doesn't suit what we should be trying to do. We need that elusive little guy who can find yards by darting around, not the hammer type back. But that's largely because our OL isn't a hammer type OL. I mean if we can get enough help on the front line, sure, but I have no faith in that happening.

If we can get impact defenders Ryan is good enough to compensate for the worst line in the NFL (he did this season, and he performed better than anyone could have hoped given the injuries etc) but give me Julio back, and give me the Roddy from the end of the season, and lets drop into more 4 wide sets. I love our 4th and 5th WRs, honestly more than I love Harry. I would be really happy with them getting on the field a lot more.
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No one has talked about it, but we really need a returner as well. I'd like a guy a Georgia State guy like Albert Wilson in the late rounds. He played his home games at Georgia Dome in college, I'm sure the F/O is looking at him. He performed well at the combine and was productive as a receiver and returner in college.

He reminds me a little of Eric Weems. Similar build and skill.
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I've officially hopped over to the 'Trade Up for Clowney" bandwagon. Obviously there's a limit to what the Falcons should be willing to compensate for his rights, but they should at least explore the option.
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I would rather have Mack at 6 than Clowney after giving up another pick. Easy decision for me.
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I've officially hopped over to the 'Trade Up for Clowney" bandwagon. Obviously there's a limit to what the Falcons should be willing to compensate for his rights, but they should at least explore the option.
Like everyone I dont wanna trade up because we have lots of holes and this is such a deep class. But like you we have to look into it as there is a such a dropoff at 4-3 DE after him and we have such a big need. I just hope the trade up wouldn't be to #2 where the price tag will be much higher.
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If we get Clowney or Mack at 6 and Jernigan in round 2 I couldn't imagine a better draft at this point.
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You gotta think the Falcons won't have a second rounder if they trade up for Clowney. He's probably a lock for #1 or #2. I'm thinking it would require #6, #37 and 2015 first rounder. That's probably where I'd draw the line as far as wanting to move up. An additional 2015 mid or late round pick might be worth it, but that would have to be the absolute most. It would be tough to trade away multiple picks again, but elite defensive end prospects don't grow on trees.
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Im curious, weren't you somewhat anti-clowney previously?
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See I don't want to trade up. I would value Mack + Jernigan > Clowney. I think Clowney is a baller but if he's going #2 let someone else overpay and sit and reap the benefits of Mack being there at 6
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I'd be perfectly content with Mack. It's still really early though, Clowney's stock can easily fall in the next 2 months. If not, I don't think I'd be wise to spend so much to move up.
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See I don't want to trade up. I would value Mack + Jernigan > Clowney. I think Clowney is a baller but if he's going #2 let someone else overpay and sit and reap the benefits of Mack being there at 6
I doubt we can grab Jernigan in the second but it is possible. Would rather have DE as DT can be found a bit later. Wouldn't mind Hageman in a trade down though.
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The thing is I don't see the rams taking clowney as they have Quinn so I see them taking a tackle if they cant trade back. So if you wanna trade up I would wait till #3 but even then the jags have to take a qb right?
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Ya I don't think there's any chance he goes before 4 of even then. It's nice to think about but you don't win in the NFL without a QB. I can't see those teams passing up this talent for a DE. I mean isn't it funny that the teams with the top 2 picks have elite DEs already? You're not going to find a better pair than the Rams have, and as far as the Texans go they have Watt and plenty of rushers too yet they're picking first overall.

I think Clowney to the Browns is possible, just from a BPA standpoint and certainly the Raiders can consider him. But the place that makes the most sense is Atlanta at 6. In this years drafting say we stay put or move down unless the Rams want to swap 2 for 6 and a 5th or so which is completely unrealistic.
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Whatever way we decide to go I feel like staying put is the best choice. I really like Robinson as he is a beast and I think the next Walter Jones for 10 years. Clowney, well we all know he's a once in a decade talent but we still could land a serviceable DE. The guards this year are crap. The deepest class this year is WR and that's not a need at all. A guy like Donald out of Pitt would fit our system perfectly but might be a tad high at 6. He will go top 15 for sure. He reminds me of Rod Coleman. Other guys I like are Van Noy who could be there in the 2nd for us. Anthony Barr is falling so maybe a trade down for a guy like that.

The thing I'm thinking of though if we trade up. Just think back to the Julio trade. Can anyone even remember the picks we gave up? Ya it sucked losing picks but he turned out to be a stud and has helped this team more than the 2 picks we lost out on, so doing the same for Clowney wouldn't upset me.
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Except we suck and could have another top 15 pick next season. Losing a pick like that is costly. And we have so many needs that we obviously haven't drafted well enough. The draft class with Konz/Holmes is when we didnt have a first and that draft is killing us.

I just don't want Matthews.
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