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Racist slurs are not a part of the game. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't understand the game.
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. A BIG part of any athletic contest is getting in your opponent's head to throw them off. If they have so little self control and lash out even better. This concept goes back as long as competitive sport has existed. It is long past time we stopped giving into every pansy waists version of plural correctness. People say bad words, people say bad words to anger others. We've been this way since we evolved from apes and will be this way until the sun implodes. Just because some thin skinned pansies can't hack it doesn't mean we change everything.

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Is what someone who doesn't understand the psychology of the game says

. A BIG part of any athletic contest is getting in your opponent's head to throw them off. If they have so little self control and lash out even better. This concept goes back as long as competitive sport has existed.
I see no place when people discuss the game as oppose to the ******** that comes with it does anyone mention racist slurs. I played the game for 6 years yeah Jr. high and high school but not once in that space did I hear a racist slur. If high school kids can play the game without this ******** "psychology of the game" the the game is better off without it.
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I see no place when people discuss the game as oppose to the ******** that comes with it does anyone mention racist slurs. I played the game for 6 years yeah Jr. high and high school but not once in that space did I hear a racist slur. If high school kids can play the game without this ******** "psychology of the game" the the game is better off without it.
Really we're comparing JUNIOR HIGH AND HIGH SCHOOL football to the NFL?
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Really we're comparing JUNIOR HIGH AND HIGH SCHOOL football to the NFL?
Really the game is the game. The game doesn't change its how people play it that changes. But to honestly ask the question. " OH GOD WHAT WILL WE DO FOOTBALL WILL NEVER BE THE SAME WITHOUT ITS RACIAL SLURS" is ridiculous and you should feel embarrassed for yourself.
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Really the game is the game. The game doesn't change its how people play it that changes. But to honestly ask the question. " OH GOD WHAT WILL WE DO FOOTBALL WILL NEVER BE THE SAME WITHOUT ITS RACIAL SLURS" is ridiculous and you should feel embarrassed for yourself.
No when we're talking about feeding your family (or earning the chance in college) it is completely different. At those levels I'd fully endorse this rule but not in the NFL or NCAA.

The game has been neutered enough the past ten years, there is no need to continually erode the game at literally every level.

Furthermore, I am never in favour off the repression of free speech (even if it doesn't apply to a private organization such as the NFL) in any way other than legitimate public safety (yelling fire in a theatre).
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No when we're talking about feeding your family (or earning the chance in college) it is completely different. At those levels I'd fully endorse this rule but not in the NFL or NCAA.

The game has been neutered enough the past ten years, there is no need to continually erode the game at literally every level.

Furthermore, I am never in favour off the repression of free speech (even if it doesn't apply to a private organization such as the NFL) in any way other than legitimate public safety (yelling fire in a theatre).
I'm shocked at how many Americans get this 100% wrong. Free speech does not extend to your workplace. Free speech protects you from the government stopping you from saying things not from your employer stopping you from saying things in your workplace. Don't believe me? Next week go into your place of business and call your boss a dickhead. Then proceed to yell every racial epithet in the book. Then when you are subsequently fired walk to a layers office and ask him your chances of suing you ex employer and get laughed out of the office.
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Why don't you go back and re-read what I said.
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Why don't you go back and re-read what I said.
It seems just like me to correct the only thing you didn't get wrong in the post. Racial epithets don't have any bearing to weather or not you are able to feed your family playing football. At the end of the day football is an entertainment medium the fans never hear any of that ****. Thus it doesn't matter to anyone making money off from it. As far as neutering the league once again the hits are just as hard the throws are just as accurate the players run just as fast with or without the word ****** in the game. I'm guessing they are not testing for a player's racist abilities when they are performing at the combine call it a hunch.
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Honestly I think this is the best rule Goodell has come up with yet. Just over the past year the NFL has had three controversies involving the N-Word. Banning it is a proactive approach before it becomes a major thing.
I'm agreeing pretty much. Goodell is protecting the league from a PR and financial perspective. The Riley Cooper thing was a big black eye for the league and Goodell is taking steps to prevent more embarrassment. Most Americans don't want to hear the n word on TV so Goodell is doing his best to keep the NFL popular and clean. It's entertainment so keep it appealing to the people.

I'm don't think this is an issue either way. I doubt players are going to be flagged constantly for this. It will have less effect on the game then you think.
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Does that include the n word with an A at the end or just the white version with the hard R? Its going to be tough for all the black people to break that habit.
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Is what someone who doesn't understand the psychology of the game says

. A BIG part of any athletic contest is getting in your opponent's head to throw them off. If they have so little self control and lash out even better. This concept goes back as long as competitive sport has existed. It is long past time we stopped giving into every pansy waists version of plural correctness. People say bad words, people say bad words to anger others. We've been this way since we evolved from apes and will be this way until the sun implodes. Just because some thin skinned pansies can't hack it doesn't mean we change everything.
While baseketball may be a hilarious movie, this is not the world you live in anymore. People have evolved, black people can go to the same schools as white people, and there is just no place left for publically unacceptable behavior such as racism in the sunlight. The NFL have realised it over the Martin case, and this is just another step. The general public doesnt accept that type of behavior, so the nfl will need to keep its product in line with that.
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While baseketball may be a hilarious movie, this is not the world you live in anymore. People have evolved, black people can go to the same schools as white people, and there is just no place left for publically unacceptable behavior such as racism in the sunlight. The NFL have realised it over the Martin case, and this is just another step. The general public doesnt accept that type of behavior, so the nfl will need to keep its product in line with that.
I'm pretty sure a bunch of black dudes saying the word to each other on the field isn't racism.
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While baseketball may be a hilarious movie, this is not the world you live in anymore. People have evolved, black people can go to the same schools as white people, and there is just no place left for publically unacceptable behavior such as racism in the sunlight. The NFL have realised it over the Martin case, and this is just another step. The general public doesnt accept that type of behavior, so the nfl will need to keep its product in line with that.
I love when people respond to one of my posts when they clearly haven't read it.
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I'm pretty sure a bunch of black dudes saying the word to each other on the field isn't racism.
Then I am pretty sure you have no clue about how, even within their own race, blacks call each other names and demoralize each other in relation to skin tone.
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Then I am pretty sure you have no clue about how, even within their own race, blacks call each other names and demoralize each other in relation to skin tone.
Yes but the n word in the black community isn't normally used to demoralize each other. It is used in a friendly way. Not saying that is acceptable in the NFL but it's going to be tough to get a large % of NFL players to break that habit.
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Good discussion about it.
I couldn't care less about what the Howard Stern wannabes have to say about the topic.
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I'm sitting in a restaurant and ESPN is on. They are doing an Outside the Lines special called "The N Word." I don't know if Bob Levy is the appropriate person to be hosting this.
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Yes but the n word in the black community isn't normally used to demoralize each other. It is used in a friendly way. Not saying that is acceptable in the NFL but it's going to be tough to get a large % of NFL players to break that habit.
It means everything from "my friend" to "you S.O.B". People in the rest of society do many things NFL players have to accept not doing. Why should this be any different? Do you think our CINC ever refers to the current Attorney General as his "N" during a cabinet meeting?
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I love when people respond to one of my posts when they clearly haven't read it.
You are saying racism is acceptable in the context of grown men in the nfl trying to get under each others skin. I am saying that the NFL is marketed to the general public where racism of any kind is not acceptable. Hence the rule is being proposed. Please indicate what part of your stance I did not read.
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Really the game is the game. The game doesn't change its how people play it that changes. But to honestly ask the question. " OH GOD WHAT WILL WE DO FOOTBALL WILL NEVER BE THE SAME WITHOUT ITS RACIAL SLURS" is ridiculous and you should feel embarrassed for yourself.
It's not that right and wrong of the word bothers people.

It's how it will be used to manipulate the game. How are refs going to see who is saying it all the time? If a WR is battling a CB and the word is clearly heard but the ref doesn't know who said it, what will happen? Will they use instant replay and try to catch lip reading on the camera? What if their face mask is in the way of clearly reading lips on the camera? Undisputed evidence? lol. What about battles at the LOS? The lineman wearing their masks with their heads down, but someone clearly yells it out. Who will be punished? Will they blame the offense and push 'em back 15 or blame the defense and push 'em back 15?

The ridiculousness of this rule is unbelievable and I hope it doesn't ruin the game by players manipulating the game and refs doing a terrible job of calling it. Players will be trying to frame each other all game long.

It's so stupid, I wonder if this is Vegas' way of making it easier to fix games. hah

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Richard Sherman says the idea is racist.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...trocious-idea/
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The NFL appears likely to tell the officials to strictly enforce the already existing rule against using abusive language on the field, and to tell officials that racial slurs can be considered abusive language. But it appears unlikely that a specific rule banning the N-word, which the Fritz Pollard Alliance is urging the NFL to pass, will come to fruition.
From that Sherman article...

I think this is the right solution. No need to specifically ban words, just abusive language. Let the refs use their judgment about unsportsmanlike conduct and taunting.
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It's not that right and wrong of the word bothers people.

It's how it will be used to manipulate the game. How are refs going to see who is saying it all the time? If a WR is battling a CB and the word is clearly heard but the ref doesn't know who said it, what will happen? Will they use instant replay and try to catch lip reading on the camera? What if their face mask is in the way of clearly reading lips on the camera? Undisputed evidence? lol. What about battles at the LOS? The lineman wearing their masks with their heads down, but someone clearly yells it out. Who will be punished? Will they blame the offense and push 'em back 15 or blame the defense and push 'em back 15?

The ridiculousness of this rule is unbelievable and I hope it doesn't ruin the game by players manipulating the game and refs doing a terrible job of calling it. Players will be trying to frame each other all game long.

It's so stupid, I wonder if this is Vegas' way of making it easier to fix games. hah
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The NFL appears likely to tell the officials to strictly enforce the already existing rule against using abusive language on the field, and to tell officials that racial slurs can be considered abusive language. But it appears unlikely that a specific rule banning the N-word, which the Fritz Pollard Alliance is urging the NFL to pass, will come to fruition.
It obviously isn't going to be enforced every single time its uttered similar to pass interference. When it is obvious it is called. I say good. Why just the N word? Its because there is no controversy over ****. Every player could say it in unison and nothing happens. Hell most of us get a laugh out of it. Someone says the N word then there is a 60 minutes episode and several sport center specials about it. Its really that simple.
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It obviously isn't going to be enforced every single time its uttered similar to pass interference. When it is obvious it is called. I say good. Why just the N word? Its because there is no controversy over ****. Every player could say it in unison and nothing happens. Hell most of us get a laugh out of it. Someone says the N word then there is a 60 minutes episode and several sport center specials about it. Its really that simple.
Apparently you can't call Michael Sam the n-word, but calling him another word for a bundle of sticks is perfectly okay.
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