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Apparently you can't call Michael Sam the n-word, but calling him another word for a bundle of sticks is perfectly okay.
I would bet my life that would be an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty if the refs heard it directed at him. With today's media, no chance the NFL would let that happen.
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Apparently you can't call Michael Sam the n-word, but calling him another word for a bundle of sticks is perfectly okay.
Not quite. The NFL has a rule on the books for abusive language. From the PFT article.

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The NFL appears likely to tell the officials to strictly enforce the already existing rule against using abusive language on the field, and to tell officials that racial slurs can be considered abusive language. But it appears unlikely that a specific rule banning the N-word, which the Fritz Pollard Alliance is urging the NFL to pass, will come to fruition.
Using the word that is another word for a bundle of sticks also falls under the set of abusive language.
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And how many penalties were called in 2013 as personal fouls for "abusive language"?
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And how many penalties were called in 2013 as personal fouls for "abusive language"?
More than you think it falls under the call "unsportsmanlike conduct." as it holds the exact same 15 yard penalty. But not as much as the NFL would want which is why they are placing a further emphases on it.
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And how many penalties were called in 2013 as personal fouls for "abusive language"?
The penalty isn't called abusive language. It's unsportsmanlike conduct or taunting. Quite a few of those were called.
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The penalty isn't called abusive language. It's unsportsmanlike conduct or taunting. Quite a few of those were called.
But to anyone other than the NFL who has access to the ref's post game notes, no one generally has any idea what is said to warrant those flags. Unless it is a rare time the mics actually catch it, it is only speculation as to what lead to the flag from our part.
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But to anyone other than the NFL who has access to the ref's post game notes, no one generally has any idea what is said to warrant those flags. Unless it is a rare time the mics actually catch it, it is only speculation as to what lead to the flag from our part.
Yep, and it would continue to be speculation if these plans go forward. Only thing that might change is that racial slurs would be included as abusive language. Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion.
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Richard Sherman says the ban is an "atrocious" idea. He says the word is used on the field constantly. My question is how is it being used? Do black players use it to insult opposing black players like George Jefferson does before throwing somebody out of his apartment?
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Richard Sherman says the ban is an "atrocious" idea. He says the word is used on the field constantly. My question is how is it being used? Do black players use it to insult opposing black players like George Jefferson does before throwing somebody out of his apartment?
And maybe it's me, but I don't really feel safe trusting middle aged referees with the job of differentiating the context and intent if the word is used on the field.
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And maybe it's me, but I don't really feel safe trusting middle aged referees with the job of differentiating the context and intent if the word is used on the field.
I think the goal is to get the players to stop using it in all contexts. After unsportsmanlike conduct called a few times during instances that the players didn't mean it to be abusive, maybe they'll consider using different words.
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I think the goal is to get the players to stop using it in all contexts. After unsportsmanlike conduct called a few times during instances that the players didn't mean it to be abusive, maybe they'll consider using different words.
Which is just pointless. There is no reason to possibly change the outcome of a game because a player uses a bad word. I don't know who in the NFL thought it'd be a wonderful idea to create a universal set of rules from Pop Warner through the NFL, but it is an atrociously stupid idea.
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Why stop there? Let's stop using the words "Stupid" and "Dumb". They have malicious and insulting intent and are VERY offensive too. I think hitting each other is setting an very bad example on the young children of the world. We should call it 2 hand touch, no bad words and change the team names to names of flowers. Buccaneers, Raiders, Redskins, Chargers, Cowboys, Giants, Titans, Jets, Lions, Bengals, Jaguars, Rams and Chiefs are all attacking in nature. Let's be real. It's too mean.
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Richard Sherman says the ban is an "atrocious" idea. He says the word is used on the field constantly. My question is how is it being used? Do black players use it to insult opposing black players like George Jefferson does before throwing somebody out of his apartment?
Why would a black person use the word to insult another black person? I wonder if some of you have ever even interacted with a black person before. That makes zero goddamn sense.

And Richard Sherman is 100% correct.
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And Richard Sherman is 100% correct.
In general when the Stanford educated players start talking, it's probably a good idea to listen.
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In general when the Stanford educated players start talking, it's probably a good idea to listen.
Johnathan Martin agrees.
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I like Carson's response.

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“I find it very disheartening that in our society today we’re having a debate about the n-words being used as a term of endearment,” Carson said on Sunday. “If that’s a term of endearment, go up to your grandfather, or an elderly black person, and use it on them. See how they react. For those who use it, I say they have no sense of history.”
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That being said, trying to police it today is pointless. The youth of the black community have this word ingrained in them since birth practically. Especially a lot of the brothas that come from the streets so to speak. Or "think" they do. So they're going to use it. I feel sorry for the officials that are now put in this position to have to regulate it. As if they didn't have enough problems.
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Which is just pointless. There is no reason to possibly change the outcome of a game because a player uses a bad word. I don't know who in the NFL thought it'd be a wonderful idea to create a universal set of rules from Pop Warner through the NFL, but it is an atrociously stupid idea.
I wouldn't have pushed to ban it, but I understand why they would want to. The use of the word is at best unnecessary, and at worst, racist. I understand that it isn't a big deal and doesn't cause offense probably over 90% of the time it's used, but after seeing the league's/media's response to the Riley Cooper situation, the Richie Incognito situation, and the Michael Sam situation, it's clear the NFL wants to appear to be more inclusive and professional. Less use of the N-word by players advances that goal for them.

I understand scoffing at the potential ban because all of the players are grown men and should be able to handle it, but you have to remember that it is a workplace. That type of language isn't acceptable in nearly any other professional setting.
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Is it just me or is this just more bad press for the NFL. Come on Goodell start earning those big bucks and show some ******* leadership here.
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Is it just me or is this just more bad press for the NFL. Come on Goodell start earning those big bucks and show some ******* leadership here.
Once again unless it is implemented by a total moron I don't see how this is bad press or bad for the league.
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That's my point. A lot of players come from a place that the word is as common as the word bro. Its going to be difficult to break the habit that a large % of people in the NFL have. How are you going to know who said it and are you going to throw a flag when one black player says what's up my ***** to another black person in a friendly way? I don't see how there isn't going to be a **** ton of flags called if the rule happens.
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That's my point. A lot of players come from a place that the word is as common as the word bro. Its going to be difficult to break the habit that a large % of people in the NFL have. How are you going to know who said it and are you going to throw a flag when one black player says what's up my ***** to another black person in a friendly way? I don't see how there isn't going to be a **** ton of flags called if the rule happens.
I can't wait to see the response from the pc people here after their team loses a game because of this.
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I can't wait to see the response from the pc people here after their team loses a game because of this.
It'll never happen that way. Like you said, we don't know what unsportsmanlike penalties are called for unless we see something obvious.
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Once again unless it is implemented by a total moron I don't see how this is bad press or bad for the league.
I think it just brings an ongoing problem to the public eye. Referees already have the discretion to throw a flag if they want.

The other thing i guess that's sort of obvious is there is a whole host of other deragatory comments athletes can make that don't fall under this one category. Congratulations NFL it's ok to call people **** and queers.
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It'll never happen that way. Like you said, we don't know what unsportsmanlike penalties are called for unless we see something obvious.
I might be wrong I just feel like there is a small explanation on those penalties? If not I see how they could get away with it in game but I would fully expect a player to put the reason on twitter or during interviews.
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That's my point. A lot of players come from a place that the word is as common as the word bro. Its going to be difficult to break the habit that a large % of people in the NFL have. How are you going to know who said it and are you going to throw a flag when one black player says what's up my ***** to another black person in a friendly way? I don't see how there isn't going to be a **** ton of flags called if the rule happens.
First of all people have to change their speaking habits all the time when they enter their workplace. Do you think that the guy working at a store sees another black guy and says "can I help you my ******?" No, not one. So I could give a toss as to what they are accustomed to saying on the field.

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Section 3 Unsportsmanlike Conduct
Article 1: Prohibited Acts. There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct. This applies to any act which is contrary to the
generally understood principles of sportsmanship. Such acts specifically include, among others:
(a) Throwing a punch, or a forearm, or kicking at an opponent, even though no contact is made.
(b) Using abusive, threatening, or insulting language or gestures to opponents, teammates, officials, or representatives of the League.
(c) Using baiting or taunting acts or words that engender ill will between teams.
(d) Prolonged or excessive celebrations or demonstrations by an individual player. Players are prohibited from engaging
in any celebrations or demonstrations while on the ground. A celebration or demonstration shall be deemed
excessive or prolonged if a player continues to celebrate or demonstrate after a warning from an official.
(e) Two or more players engaging in prolonged, excessive, premeditated, or choreographed celebrations or
demonstrations.
(f) Possession or use of foreign or extraneous object(s) that are not part of the uniform during the game on the field or
the sideline, or using the ball as a prop.
(g) Unnecessary physical contact with a game official.
(h) Removal of his helmet by a player in the field of play or the end zone during a celebration or demonstration, or during
a confrontation with a game official or any other player.
Exceptions: It is not a foul if:
I. a timeout has been called for reasons of injury, television break, or charged team timeout; or
II. it is between periods.
Note 1: Under no condition is an official to allow a player to shove, push, or strike him in an offensive, disrespectful, or
unsportsmanlike manner. Any such action must be reported to the Commissioner.
So are you going to say that an official is so daft that they aren't going to be able to tell the difference if the word is going to be said in an aggressive manner? Come on now. I'm going to doubt that they are going to throw the flag if they can't tell who said it.
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