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you are right, and so is badgerbacker.

Surprise: I have yet to chime in on this racist topic!

But I did just read thru these comments and got a lot of laughs at a few people here.

To defend the N-word in any manner is simply preposterous, ignorant, asinine, idiotic.

But it doesn't surprise me some people still do just that, defend it or advocate, justify it's use still.

But I guess that goes along with racist, 100%-discriminatory "programs" like:














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We have a LONG way to go in this country to level the playing fields in this country. There is nothing that is not available to a black person in this country that is not also available to a white person.
Obama is the ultimate proof of this.

If something is wrong for one or more groups of people, it must be wrong for all groups of people.
If it's okay for one group, it should be okay for others.

This is 2014.
It's time to stop the preferential treatment, stop treating one specific race of our society like they are handicapped and giving them special little gifts or rules or privileges that nobody else gets. IT IS NOT WORKING and it is making racial harmony worse in this country, by a mile. See "Knockout game".

The N-word is clearly a bad word, not a term of endearment.
What a joke that excuse is, and even funnier that some buy that BS.
Nothing surprises me anymore though from some people.
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Yeah, it's weird, I can completely understand white people being called racists if they use the word, but how can you say a black person is a racist if he calls another black person a ******, even if it is used in a negative way. It becomes even more complex if sometimes the term is a positive and sometimes a negative depending on the circumstances within the black community.
So now the NFL referees will be the language police, seems rather absurd to me unless the use of the word is getting out of control in the NFL, which I doubt.
Players get angry with each other in every sport especially the rougher ones, I can just see guys studying up on the rules so they can legally swear at each other without drawing a penalty. No doubt teams will have to practice it before each game to avoid penalties. Is this what it is coming down to??
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It's a racist rule because the only people saying it are black people. If a white player said it, they'd get an unsportsmanlike anyway.
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Once again its against the law to enforce a rule for some players and not enforce it for others societal acceptance of this is not pertinent.
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Once again its against the law to enforce a rule for some players and not enforce it for others societal acceptance of this is not pertinent.
You're just a stupid person if you think it means the same thing or has the same connotation, or if you are just trying to be argumentative and think that's a valid troll.
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So it's racist to specify that the rule applies equally to all races?
Yes. It's just like saying f*** or s*** or c**t if a black person uses it. Let's not act like we don't understand that there's a huge difference. If you're on the internet and think that there's no difference, you're a stupid person.
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You're just a stupid person if you think it means the same thing or has the same connotation, or if you are just trying to be argumentative and think that's a valid troll.
What does one do when they don't have a valid point proceed with the name calling.
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What does one do when they don't have a valid point proceed with the name calling.
Whose point is invalid?

There's no real conversation here. Either they ban all profanity (which is stupid), or they leave things the way they are and continue to properly assess penalties when players go over the line (which they've been doing for as long as I've watched the game). Otherwise it's a racist rule to implement because the NFL would be targeting one word that one ethnic group of players uses out on the field.

If you don't understand that there's almost always a difference between a black person saying ****** and a white person saying ******, there's nothing that can be done for you. I'm sorry.
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I haven't heard one legitimate argument for why it should be allowed. The closest anybody can come is that it's ok for some people (but not everyone) to say it to some people (but not everyone) in some contexts.

The fact that it's referred to as "the N word" should be a pretty good indication that it isn't appropriate and nothing positive will be lost by eliminating it from the NFL.
The point for banning it is that it eliminates stupid arguments like this entire thread.
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The point for banning it is that it eliminates stupid arguments like this entire thread.
People say 'n word' because they're idiots.

The whole "argument" of why it's okay for black people to say it, but not white people is a ******** agenda that gets stirred up by WHITE PEOPLE. We (white people) know exactly why it's different and that it really is fine for black people to use it (if they so choose), but not us. We drum this crap up because we're dicks, sometimes. And the media runs with stories about it because that sells. Bottom line.
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People say 'n word' because they're idiots.

The whole "argument" of why it's okay for black people to say it, but not white people is a ******** agenda stirred up by WHITE PEOPLE. We (white people) know exactly why it's different and that it really is fine for black people to use it, but not us. We drum this crap up because we're dicks, sometimes. And the media runs with stories about it because that sells. Bottom line.
I don't argue any of that, but I'm sticking by my statement that nothing positive is lost if they ban it.
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Whose point is invalid?

There's no real conversation here. Either they ban all profanity (which is stupid), or they leave things the way they are and continue to properly assess penalties when players go over the line (which they've been doing for as long as I've watched the game). Otherwise it's a racist rule to implement because the NFL would be targeting one word that one ethnic group of players uses out on the field.

If you don't understand that there's almost always a difference between a black person saying ****** and a white person saying ******, there's nothing that can be done for you. I'm sorry.
There is plenty of conversation the NFL is trying to prevent controversy like what happened with the Riley Cooper incident. This incident was directly connected to the specific word. The Media is not alerted when a player uses any other form of profanity. "So why not just ban white players from saying it?" Because it is illegal to do so. So you are at an impasse of looking like the league is not sympathetic or condones the activity of Riley Cooper or banning the word for all players. None of your solutions can hold up regardless of what society at large thinks.
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OK - hypothetical situation:
Tell me the difference in these scenarios:

1. A White D-lineman gets a questionable cut-block from a black O-lineman. As they return to their respective huddles, the D-lineman responds with "N****a, you aint gonna get away with that **** all day. Try that **** again."

2. A Black D-lineman gets a questionable cut-block from a black O-lineman. As they return to their respective huddles, the D-lineman responds with "N****a, you aint gonna get away with that **** all day. Try that **** again."

3. A Black D-lineman gets a questionable cut-block from a white O-lineman. As they return to their respective huddles, the D-lineman responds with "N****a, you aint gonna get away with that **** all day. Try that **** again."
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OK - hypothetical situation:
Tell me the difference in these scenarios:

1. A White D-lineman gets a questionable cut-block from a black O-lineman. As they return to their respective huddles, the D-lineman responds with "N****a, you aint gonna get away with that **** all day. Try that **** again."

2. A Black D-lineman gets a questionable cut-block from a black O-lineman. As they return to their respective huddles, the D-lineman responds with "N****a, you aint gonna get away with that **** all day. Try that **** again."

3. A Black D-lineman gets a questionable cut-block from a white O-lineman. As they return to their respective huddles, the D-lineman responds with "N****a, you aint gonna get away with that **** all day. Try that **** again."
The white man is racist in all 3 scenarios.

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OK - hypothetical situation:
Tell me the difference in these scenarios:

1. A White D-lineman gets a questionable cut-block from a black O-lineman. As they return to their respective huddles, the D-lineman responds with "N****a, you aint gonna get away with that **** all day. Try that **** again."

2. A Black D-lineman gets a questionable cut-block from a black O-lineman. As they return to their respective huddles, the D-lineman responds with "N****a, you aint gonna get away with that **** all day. Try that **** again."

3. A Black D-lineman gets a questionable cut-block from a white O-lineman. As they return to their respective huddles, the D-lineman responds with "N****a, you aint gonna get away with that **** all day. Try that **** again."
Once again the answer from a societal standpoint is obvious. I am not arguing that I would be more offended and the world would be more offended with situation 1. That is stupid to argue. I am saying that it is legally more difficult than that. Also brings up the Trent Williams situation where a black O-Lineman called a Black official the N-Word. So now you have to ask should the official have to put up with the verbal abuse of a black player simply because he is a black player?
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The white man is racist in all 3 scenarios.

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Scenario 2 lists 2 black guys. LOL, you're right though. A white guy is to blame there too.
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The NFL is a business. At my job, any variation of the n word regardless of race is instant termination. They should be glad that it is only a relatively minor penalty/fine and not loss of employment. The NFL can't have it's players representing themselves in an unprofessional manner when there are so many microphones present.
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OK - hypothetical situation:
Tell me the difference in these scenarios:

1. A White D-lineman gets a questionable cut-block from a black O-lineman. As they return to their respective huddles, the D-lineman responds with "N****a, you aint gonna get away with that **** all day. Try that **** again."

2. A Black D-lineman gets a questionable cut-block from a black O-lineman. As they return to their respective huddles, the D-lineman responds with "N****a, you aint gonna get away with that **** all day. Try that **** again."

3. A Black D-lineman gets a questionable cut-block from a white O-lineman. As they return to their respective huddles, the D-lineman responds with "N****a, you aint gonna get away with that **** all day. Try that **** again."
The difference is that it's highly offensive and usually taken as a personal (if not malicious) attack when it's a white guy saying it to a black guy. A white guy saying it is almost surely going to result in a fight.

In other scenarios, voice inflection is very important. There's also a big difference between -a and -er when it's coming from black people. It's just a regular curse word from black people. So how it's said and how the other person takes it are important. Coming from a black guy, it's rarely going to result in retaliatory action (and this is probably what you're looking for?).

No one can say "fagg*t" because it will almost always result in a fight. That's why that one's pretty much an instant flag.

But I really look at this post as a rhetorical question because you/we already know this. Trust me, black posters, white people know the difference. We ask questions like this when we want to be dicks and as a way to mock you for saying a word that you say we aren't allowed to say. It's extremely immature.

The root of this is that it's racist to ban that one word because everyone knows only one ethnic group uses it. I wouldn't have a problem if they were banning ALL profanity, but when they target that particular word, it's (probably unintentionally) racist.
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These guys don't work at an insurance office, they don't do your taxes.

This isn't a typical workplace, and it shouldn't be treated as such.

The fact that these guys can line up across from one another and say "I'm going to rip your ****ing heart out and feed it to your children. I can't wait to rip your *** up and destroy your QB. I'm gonna break his ****ing neck and step on his balls."

But you can't say:

"Nice catch, ****a!"
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These guys don't work at an insurance office, they don't do your taxes.

This isn't a typical workplace, and it shouldn't be treated as such.


The fact that these guys can line up across from one another and say "I'm going to rip your ****ing heart out and feed it to your children. I can't wait to rip your *** up and destroy your QB. I'm gonna break his ****ing neck and step on his balls."

But you can't say:

"Nice catch, ****a!"
This!

There is so many things you can say to someone including a black person that is worse than the N word.
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No... just completely no... believe what you want but they shouldn't say the other things either. Frankly, it just makes them look dumb. They can call each other names and threaten at their local flag football leagues.
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These guys don't work at an insurance office, they don't do your taxes.

This isn't a typical workplace, and it shouldn't be treated as such.

The fact that these guys can line up across from one another and say "I'm going to rip your ****ing heart out and feed it to your children. I can't wait to rip your *** up and destroy your QB. I'm gonna break his ****ing neck and step on his balls."

But you can't say:

"Nice catch, ****a!"
The fact is that the NFL is trying to shed this image and become more professional. It started with Goodell emphasizing player conduct off the field and has continued with the reaction to "Bountygate" and the Riley Cooper/Incognito situations. You can argue the merits of that all you want, but it's happening.
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People say 'n word' because they're idiots.

The whole "argument" of why it's okay for black people to say it, but not white people is a ******** agenda that gets stirred up by WHITE PEOPLE.
I get the idea of what you're saying but how can you broadly say it's a "white agenda" when the rules discussion is headed by John Wooten and the Fritz Pollard Alliance?
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Lol, remember when J-Mike was trying to convince us he was black for a while? lmao.
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Scenario 2 lists 2 black guys. LOL, you're right though. A white guy is to blame there too.
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