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Old 04-16-2014, 01:32 PM    (permalink
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TB on a team like Houston or Minnesota would put those squads in the playoffs as a rookie IMO.
For Houston he could be a game manager that gets them to the playoffs on the strength of their defense. However that could be the case for players found in later rounds as well, whereas other players would provide an instant impact that could also help get them to the playoffs with a game manager at QB.

In Minnesota, absolutely not. A rookie Andrew Luck wouldn't do that with that team.

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See where Mel Kiper is predicting 2nd round for Teddy Bridgewater. Seems to be following the same script as Geno Smith from last year.
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For Houston he could be a game manager that gets them to the playoffs on the strength of their defense. However that could be the case for players found in later rounds as well, whereas other players would provide an instant impact that could also help get them to the playoffs with a game manager at QB.

In Minnesota, absolutely not. A rookie Andrew Luck wouldn't do that with that team.
Minnesota is a quarterback away from being a threat in the NFC North. They have the weapons offensively and the defense has re-tooled itself into a respectable unit on paper.
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Minnesota is a quarterback away from being a threat in the NFC North. They have the weapons offensively and the defense has re-tooled itself into a respectable unit on paper.
Adrian Peterson already has 2,700+ carries on his body from Oklahoma and the Vikings. He is set to start breaking down really soon (and already has a negative injury history). Even with a better QB, they are still behind the 8 ball in the North.
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Adrian Peterson already has 2,700+ carries on his body from Oklahoma and the Vikings. He is set to start breaking down really soon (and already has a negative injury history). Even with a better QB, they are still behind the 8 ball in the North.
I agree although, if he has 1 or 2 more years in him, they would be a threat with a QB.
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I found a good list of situational stats for Bridgewater and thought I'd post some of them here.

3rd & short (1-3 yards to go) 18-25, 224 yards, 3 TDs 0 Ints, 15 1st downs.
The stats look good but surprisingly he only converted 15/25 chances.

3rd & medium (4-6 ytg) 25-28 382 yards, 8 TDs 0 Ints, 23 1st downs.
That line is just ridiculous. 23/28 (82%) in these situations is unbelievable.

3rd & long (7-9 ytg) 17-27 274 yards, 2 TDs 0 Ints, 15 1st downs.

3rd & 10+ 23-41 275 yards, 1 TD 1 Ints, 11 1st downs.
These types of conversions are not his strength.

In the Redzone: 28-49 279 yards, 17 TDs 0 Ints
Louisville didn't have great redzone stats but 0 redzone Ints is pretty impressive.

He also threw 0 Ints while trailing although to be fair that was only on 40 pass attempts.

It's a little late in the game to be looking at stats like this but they do paint a pretty accurate picture of Bridgewater. He's great at limiting mistakes and keeping an offense on track but he's not particularly special in those tough situations.
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I found a good list of situational stats for Bridgewater and thought I'd post some of them here.

3rd & short (1-3 yards to go) 18-25, 224 yards, 3 TDs 0 Ints, 15 1st downs.
The stats look good but surprisingly he only converted 15/25 chances.

3rd & medium (4-6 ytg) 25-28 382 yards, 8 TDs 0 Ints, 23 1st downs.
That line is just ridiculous. 23/28 (82%) in these situations is unbelievable.

3rd & long (7-9 ytg) 17-27 274 yards, 2 TDs 0 Ints, 15 1st downs.

3rd & 10+ 23-41 275 yards, 1 TD 1 Ints, 11 1st downs.
These types of conversions are not his strength.

In the Redzone: 28-49 279 yards, 17 TDs 0 Ints
Louisville didn't have great redzone stats but 0 redzone Ints is pretty impressive.

He also threw 0 Ints while trailing although to be fair that was only on 40 pass attempts.

It's a little late in the game to be looking at stats like this but they do paint a pretty accurate picture of Bridgewater. He's great at limiting mistakes and keeping an offense on track but he's not particularly special in those tough situations.
The trouble with stats at any position, is that college teams rarely ever play more than 1 to 3 tough teams a year while at the next level, there are no easy games and you have to be good for 16+ games a year if you make the playoffs. Rookies have never been put in position of playing a tough opponent every week right through the playoffs, it's a huge learning curve for them, some adjust pretty well, many don't.

The draft is about potential, based on a # of items, game film, athleticism and intangibles, but nobody can really judge more than that and with only a small sample of useful game film against other pro type athletes, the draft really becomes a huge crapshoot where anything is possible. What a player accomplishes at the next level, in the end, won't have much to do about where he was drafted.
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I agree with his take on the wobbly ball issue with TB. I have a sneaking suspicion if Teddy falls in the draft, we're all going to look back in a few years and say he was greatly underestimated as a pro QB.


Teddy could struggle to gain his footing in the NFL. But there's an equally compelling argument that Bridgewater could develop into an elite NFL QB.

I just don't get the seeming unwillingness for some teams to bet on TB's upside.

We'll know come May if that's the case.
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Who the hell is Matt Waldman and why should I care about his opinion on his crappily formatted site?
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I agree with his take on the wobbly ball issue with TB. I have a sneaking suspicion if Teddy falls in the draft, we're all going to look back in a few years and say he was greatly underestimated as a pro QB.


Teddy could struggle to gain his footing in the NFL. But there's an equally compelling argument that Bridgewater could develop into an elite NFL QB.

I just don't get the seeming unwillingness for some teams to bet on TB's upside.

We'll know come May if that's the case.
In a couple years teams will look flatout stupid for passing Bridgewater

As long as a qb can make all the throws and has some modicum of mobility, the intangibles have to be at the forefront

10 years from now we will look back at this draft and realize that teams over analyzed it
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Who the hell is Matt Waldman and why should I care about his opinion on his crappily formatted site?
He is a draftnik who publishes a very extensive analysis of offensive skill position players every year. His website might look like crap, but the guy is a very good and extremely thorough talent evaluator.
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I agree with his take on the wobbly ball issue with TB. I have a sneaking suspicion if Teddy falls in the draft, we're all going to look back in a few years and say he was greatly underestimated as a pro QB.


Teddy could struggle to gain his footing in the NFL. But there's an equally compelling argument that Bridgewater could develop into an elite NFL QB.

I just don't get the seeming unwillingness for some teams to bet on TB's upside.

We'll know come May if that's the case.
I really think the 2011 draft made teams gun shy when it comes to taking QBs high unless they are really good prospects with minimal issues. Teams may not have loved Locker, Gabbert, Ponder etc but they went by the mantra of "we don't have a QB so we need one" and clearly those decisions have come back to bite them.

I am not comparing Teddy to any of these guys because he is much superior IMO but for me this is the reason why teams seem hesitant in liking these QBs because they all come with warts.

Now I do believe it will take a team to be brave to take Teddy high but if you trust your scouting department and make the move I think it will pay off
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Matt Waldman really dislikes Garoppolo. Thinks Garoppolo suffers from imagined pressure.

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/03/05...polo-knockout/
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http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/03/05...polo-knockout/
In fact, the only qbs I see with NFL level pocket presence are Bridgewater and Bortles
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I refuse to acknowledge another thread started related to TB, so:

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NFL Network's Mike Mayock told PFT Live he "would not take [Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater] in the first round of the draft."
"I've never seen a top-level quarterback in the last 10 years have a bad pro day, until Teddy Bridgewater," said Mayock. "He had no accuracy, the ball came out funny, the arm strength wasn't there, and it made me question everything I saw on tape because this was live." Bridgewater looks poised to have a Geno Smith-like slide down the draft. Apr 26 - 11:37 AM
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Not sure if part of his reasoning is due to the draft class strength or inside information about how his personal workouts have gone.
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Not sure if part of his reasoning is due to the draft class strength or inside information about how his personal workouts have gone.
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Not sure if part of his reasoning is due to the draft class strength or inside information about how his personal workouts have gone.
He also had Jimmy G rated above Bridgewater in his last rankings. I'm just going to ignore Mayock's QB rankings. I do believe that Bridgewater's stock has dropped (he won't be the first QB drafted) but not to the degree that people are reporting. I'll be shocked if Jimmy G goes before him.
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Bridgewater may be falling in the media, but I'm sure he isn't on team boards.
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