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Old 04-22-2014, 02:21 PM    (permalink
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Dennard has never played in a Zone so how is that his best fit? his best fit is Press Man.
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Dennard has never played in a Zone so how is that his best fit? his best fit is Press Man.
He has the tools of a Cover 2 CB who can press at the LOS and not be worried about a lack of true man to man speed. Those skills translate better to playing in zone coverage which the Cover 2 does. A Cover 2 CB needs to be a solid tackler which is also a skill that Dennard has.

I just think the speedy NFL receivers will give him trouble in man to man coverage. In college, he could bang receiver right down the field to take away their speed, but you cannot do that in the pros.
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I think Dennard will be fine in man to man coverage but I certainly prefer Gilbert over him.
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He mirrors routes very well and if what they let the Seahawks get away with downfield is an indication, Dennard is going to be heavily coveted.
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He mirrors routes very well and if what they let the Seahawks get away with downfield is an indication, Dennard is going to be heavily coveted.
Especially with teams that use Press and IAM, I figured it was because he just has above average speed. Still, Lions should use some Press but Dennard and even Gilbert seem to dropping down boards a bit as we get closer to the draft.

Trade down, I'd take Dennard but @10 it might be a bit too early to draft him.
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Interesting to see that we have had talks with other teams about Suh. Just due dilligence but it shows that the confidence Mayhew has shown to the media is not very true
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Interesting to see that we have had talks with other teams about Suh. Just due dilligence but it shows that the confidence Mayhew has shown to the media is not very true
Don't really trust twitter rumors on that. Lions can benefit re-signing him or trading him.. Either way there are benefits. I want to re-sign him hopefully in the 11-13 million per year range. But if Suh is demanding more, then you have to look into a trade. A trade gets you 3 million in cap savings, plenty of cap space in 2015 and a very good pick or 2. However, that's alot of pressure on Ansah/Jones/Fairley/Taylor/rookie in a win now year.

Even letting him walk has some benefits. Still get his strong play in 2014 season and have an extra year to replace him or get a deal done before free agency hits (not likely at that point unless the Lions make playoffs IMO). Still get some cap room in 2015 and a 3rd round pick in 2016 draft most likely.
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If he is not in our long term plans I think you have to move him now and take Donald at #10 or use whatever you get to move up in the draft.

He is too big of a talent to simply let him walk IMO. Fairley I say keep and let him walk and take the comp pick, but Suh you have to get as much value for him right now. I'm still hoping we lock him up and this can all be over with.
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I think it is all just manuveuring for future contract talks. They want to keep him but at a normal cap # for a All Star DT, they don't want him above that cap # for next year. In a league obsessed with DE's who can rush the passer, I doubt he will get much of an offer above a realistic $ # on the open market.
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TWO WEEKS til DRAFT. I'm Jonesing for an announcement "We have a trade, and St. Louis trades the #002 overall pick to the Detroit Lions for Ndamokung Suh. And Detroit gets a conditional 2nd round pick in 2016 when St. Louis signs him up.
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TWO WEEKS til DRAFT. I'm Jonesing for an announcement "We have a trade, and St. Louis trades the #002 overall pick to the Detroit Lions for Ndamokung Suh. And Detroit gets a conditional 2nd round pick in 2016 when St. Louis signs him up.
Is that realistic or kinda like wish list material?


What is everyone's thoughts about who we could realistically take at #10?
I assume Clowney, Watkins, Mack are off the board.

Mike Evans (would like the pick, improves us now, gives us insurance if something happens to Calvin, legit #1 potential).

Taylor Lewan (no thanks, not at 10, I have heard he is a bit of an a-hole with work ethic and attitude concerns?).

Jake Matthews (100% yes, great pick, although I doubt he drops that far).

HaHa (starting to think this is who we go with, I like the pick, would improve us in a position of need and safeties are a premier position now in the NFL).

Gilbert/Dennard (don't like going with a corner this high, don't think it really improves the team this year, in a crunch I take Gilbert over Dennard due to the big play ability, we are almost in a win now type mentality due to Suh/Fairly contracts, etc.)

Aaron Donald (unless we trade Nick or Suh I don't like the pick, as mentioned above, it is more of a pick for the future, don't think it really improves us this year).

Anthony Barr (don't really know much about him, seems to be dropping down draft boards).

Eric Ebron (no thanks, no TE's this high unless they are legit studs, plus we resigned Turkey Hands i.e. Pettigrew).

CJ Mosley (think the guy is an absolute player and would improve the team immediately, however #10 might be a bit high, and I am 100% done with taking guys who had major injury's, see Broyles, Best, Sims, etc...)
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I think it would be realistic to trade Suh with St. Louis, Oakland, Jacksonville or Cleveland for their first and a future pick in the second round.
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No to Jake Matthews. A tackle is not a great pick, nor is any offensive lineman sans a center in the first three rounds.
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I'd love to get Jake Matthews at #10. He's head and shoulders above the other prospects we'd have to consider at that pick. IMO we could easily stand to improve at LT. Reiff has been nothing more than average there.
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I can't stand the thougt of us getting a CB in the first if we're in a win now mode. They take years to develop, we have lots of young talent already. This would be my dream scenerio:
Trade back to#13 and pick up an extra third

1. HaHa Clinton-Dix
2. Kyle Van Noy
3. Jarvis Landry/Jared Abbrederis (depending on who's there)
3. Christian Jones
4. Justin Ellis
4. Bryan Stork
4. Aaron Lynch
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I've come to agree about not taking a CB in the first. I still like Gilbert's long-term potential but I don't think he's ready to be a starter right away. I don't think any of these guys are as good as Milliner was last year and even he struggled as a rookie.
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I can't stand the thougt of us getting a CB in the first if we're in a win now mode. They take years to develop, we have lots of young talent already. This would be my dream scenerio:
Trade back to#13 and pick up an extra third

1. HaHa Clinton-Dix
2. Kyle Van Noy
3. Jarvis Landry/Jared Abbrederis (depending on who's there)
3. Christian Jones
4. Justin Ellis
4. Bryan Stork
4. Aaron Lynch
6. Chris Boswell
7. Dexter McDougle
Not a huge Stork fan. Van Noy and Landry are two of my favorite players in this draft. Not quite sure where we play Jones after already taking Van Noy, but I like him as a prospect. Lynch and Boswell I like a lot and Elliss is an intriguing talent who's worth developing in case we lose one or both of Suh/Fairley.
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I'd love to get Jake Matthews at #10. He's head and shoulders above the other prospects we'd have to consider at that pick. IMO we could easily stand to improve at LT. Reiff has been nothing more than average there.
You have to take Matthews if he's there at 10 IMO and even Lewan makes you pause. Lewan will likely be the best pure value left on the board when we pick if he's there. Many have said he'd rate higher than Fisher and Joeckel, who went 1-2 last year. Either of them would give us a dominant young OL. Reiff would be a dominant LG IMO. Assuming they have an elite grade on Matthews(Mayhew said there are 5 elite talents in this draft in his opinion), I don't think you can pass on an elite player at such a position of value due to perceived short term need.

I'm assuming the top 5 of Clowney,Mack,Watkins,Robinson and Matthews are gone and at least 2 QBs go in front of us, plus Evans. Buffalo goes Ebron or Lewan IMO.

So the options IMO are probably whoever is left out of those two,Barr and Ha Ha. I'm hoping for Shazier, but it doesn't seem he's in the picture.
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If you start with Atlanta going for Clowney and you go
St Louis with Robinson
Jaguars go Watkins
Cleveland goes QB Manziel
Oakland goes QB Carr
Houston goes QB Bortles
Tampa Bay goes Mike Evans
Minnesota goes QB Bridgewater
Buffalo goes Matthews
Detroit goes Khalil Mack

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Eight of the nine teams above us need QB's. One could argue St. Louis doesn't but they have an exorbitant payment due to Bradford and they could decide to grab whomever they deem to be the best QB in this draft and cut their losses. That would throw the draft into a free for all.
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It's hard to really gauge how the top teams feel about these QBs. Manziel and Bortles seem to be relatively locked in for the top 10. I haven't heard many rumors of either of those 2 falling. Some of the rumors about Bridgewater are getting pretty ridiculous. There seems to be a growing feeling that he's going to fall to the 2nd round. I'm not sure whether or not to believe that. He seems to be tied to the Vikings but that may be in the 2nd round. Derek Carr could definitely slip into the top 10. The Raiders and Browns are exactly the type of franchises that would reach for him. However, I could still see him going 26th or even later.

It's still really difficult to piece together how this top 10 is going to go. The idea of 4 QBs going in the top 10 would obviously be great for us though.
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The Patriots will be replacing their back-up Ryan Mallett if Bridgewater gets anywhere near their pick.
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I think it would be realistic to trade Suh with St. Louis, Oakland, Jacksonville or Cleveland for their first and a future pick in the second round.
Unfortunately, in today's NFL where the pass rules, DT's will not fetch what local fans like to think they would. The top 5 to 10 positions in the draft are reserved for priority position players provided the draft is strong enough to have 10.

This draft certainly qualifies and nobody will take Suh, a secondary position player over a priority position player and give up picks. Never going to happen. We would have to sweeten the pot considerably to try to make a trade including Suh.

In last year's draft, teams would have jumped at the opportunity, but not this year.
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It's hard to really gauge how the top teams feel about these QBs. Manziel and Bortles seem to be relatively locked in for the top 10. I haven't heard many rumors of either of those 2 falling. Some of the rumors about Bridgewater are getting pretty ridiculous. There seems to be a growing feeling that he's going to fall to the 2nd round. I'm not sure whether or not to believe that. He seems to be tied to the Vikings but that may be in the 2nd round. Derek Carr could definitely slip into the top 10. The Raiders and Browns are exactly the type of franchises that would reach for him. However, I could still see him going 26th or even later.

It's still really difficult to piece together how this top 10 is going to go. The idea of 4 QBs going in the top 10 would obviously be great for us though.
We would certainly love it. IMO, 2 QB's will got top 2 after the Rams trade out. Where Bridgewater ends up is anybody's guess with Jacksonville, Cleveland, Oakland, Tampa Bay and Minny all desperately in need of a QB. Obviously, if 2 go top 2, then you can shrink the list by 1 and with Oakland signing Shaub, that's probably another one off the list, but I cannot see Bridgewater getting past the rest. Carr isn't in the picture IMO.

So, I think we are looking at 3 QB's getting drafted ahead of us which is great.

I can see Clowney, Manziel, Bortles, Robinson, Watkins, Matthews and Mack gone for sure, plus Bridgewater, and I expect Evans and either Barr, Gilbert or Lewan to go as well. So our pick may come down to Barr, Gilbert or Lewan.

I'd rate them
1) Barr DE/OLB
2) Lewan LT/RT
3) Gilbert CB

And I'll throw in a #4 in Ebron.

So, lets have a poll:

I vote for Lewan although I can easily live with Barr or Gilbert.
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