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Old 04-29-2014, 09:53 AM    (permalink
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Default Jimmie Ward - #1 Safety?

I have him #1 and I feel like a lot more people would if he were a little bigger and played on a better team. Am I the only one that feels this way?
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Nothing unreasonable about that. With the bigger WRs in the league and the fact that DBs get hurt so much, his size does concern me. The guy is a baller though
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I have Ward as my #1 FS right now, and #2 overall safety behind Pryor who is my #1 SS. You are not alone.

The small school thing is irrelevant for the most part IMO, his size and durability certainly have to be in play when evaluating him, but I have no issues with his on the field talent. Wards grade for me as SS dips significantly.
Ward IMO can add enough healthy, functional muscle weight to put him in the Earl Thomas/Jarius Byrd weight and help himself hold up better at the next level.
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The guy is a baller though
That's the key.

Seattle has had outstanding success taking the 'too small/injury risk' crumbs from the draft plate. Bottom line is, if you can play, you can play.

Earl Thomas is 5'10" and barely 200 pounds. He's the one player on our team we can't afford to lose. I'd put him as our team's MVP.

A lot of teams continue to wring their hands about what ifs when looking at guys like that. Usually those are the franchises that keep picking in the first 90 minutes of the draft year after year. These players often come into the league angry and hungry to prove others wrong. You can win with guys that have that kind of hunger to succeed.

In all honesty, I would be very satisfied if Seattle were to reach for him at the tail end of round 1. He'd be excellent insurance to injury. And Seattle will find a place for him in defensive packages. He very much reminds me of Thomas as a prospect coming out without the ridiculous range. He still has very good NFL range nonetheless.

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He wouldn't be a reach at the end of round one though. His range is probably 20 - 40.....ideally 25-40.
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I am hoping he'll drop to #56 but realize that is probably not realistic. I don't think his size is that bad especially given his skill and effort.
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He wouldn't be a reach at the end of round one though. His range is probably 20 - 40.....ideally 25-40.
That's about where I have him although I think it is a lot more like 25 - 40.
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I want him at 23.
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Same here. The thought of him across from Berry gets me very excited.
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When Earl Thomas was coming out, I compared him to Ed Reed - in terms of an elite CF. Ward actually reminds me a lot more of Reed coming out than Thomas did. He's built more like Reed, and in terms of speed, he's somewhere between Reed and Thomas. But Ward has the quick instincts, quick feet, outstanding range, and top-notch ball skills to excel in that role.

Now, I'm not expecting him to be Ed Reed - just as I didn't expect Earl Thomas to be Ed Reed - but I think he has those tools. FS is one position where I think people overrate size. The dominate FS in the NFL is Earl Thomas, and the dominant FS before him Ed Reed. In terms of size, between Ward and Clinton-Dix, Ward is the most similar. That's not to say that he'll be better because he's smaller, but given that the two best FS's of the last 20 years are guys about his size (Thomas did get thicker after leaving Texas), it shouldn't be a major red flag.
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Same here. The thought of him across from Berry gets me very excited.
Andy Reid loves lineman, I bet they go OL there.
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He would awesome in Sf. But I don't wanna waist a potential first cb or wide out on him maybe a second round pick.
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Overrated if people actually believe he's the #1 Safety. Good player, but he's no Dix.
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Something is going on with Jimmie Ward possibly off field?

@JoshNorris: One note about the Jimmie Ward scouting report making the rounds, ones written by NFL scouts read similarly in terms of prioritization/order

@JoshNorris: And me noting that NFL scouting reports reading the same way was by NO means endorsing it as the correct way. Not even close.

@JoshNorris: And me noting that NFL scouting reports reading the same way was by NO means endorsing it as the correct way. Not even close.
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Something is going on with Jimmie Ward possibly off field?

@JoshNorris: One note about the Jimmie Ward scouting report making the rounds, ones written by NFL scouts read similarly in terms of prioritization/order

@JoshNorris: And me noting that NFL scouting reports reading the same way was by NO means endorsing it as the correct way. Not even close

Apparently it is maturity and preparation questions.
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Makes more sense than Buchannon #1.
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The first line of Nolan Nawrocki's scouting report on him is this

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I know you'd usually note that in their profile... but the first thing? Weird.
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It's definitely concerning considering he projects to a position that requires a lot of film study. He'll need to study offenses to be elite. Very concerning given his level of competition and shortcomings.
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I fully expect Zach Martin or XSF, but I'd prefer FS. It's a much bigger need.
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Has too many kids to count on one hand.

He only benched 225 nine times?
That's pretty weak, to go along with being small.

What did Earl Thomas bench though?
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He might not be the complete eraser Dix is as a CF type S, but he is perhaps more versatile and can line up in the slot as well. The ability to move him around in different packages might make his value more attractive to teams who need help wither it's S or NCB.
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Dix is all hype tho. Bama was surrounded by good players.
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GLOVER QUIN?
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I am hoping he'll drop to #56 but realize that is probably not realistic. I don't think his size is that bad especially given his skill and effort.
It's okay we will take Lamarcus Joyner and he'll honeybadger his way to success.
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