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Old 05-02-2014, 03:03 PM    (permalink
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Winston is still the top pick but there are a lot of games left. There will always be the next big thing. If Winston has struggles and Mariota blows up people will jump on his bandwagon. Winston would really have to **** up to drop out of the top 5
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Winston is still the top pick but there are a lot of games left. There will always be the next big thing. If Winston has struggles and Mariota blows up people will jump on his bandwagon. Winston would really have to **** up to drop out of the top 5
Or get seriously hurt.
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While I wouldn't call it incredibly relevant, I think not disclosing additional partners does impede a rape investigation. When the rape kit is administered they aren't just looking for DNA evidence, but also signs of forced entry. I hate to say it, but a significant amount of activity down there reduces the control over the effectiveness of the test. The line about what can be attributed to the assailant and what could be attributed to the other partners becomes blurred.

It doesn't make the victim an untrustworthy ****, but it does reduce the quality of the evidence.
which was clearly not in any vague way part of the implication here. i'd further submit a 'citation needed' as i don't buy it at all.

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It's all about her credibility. If the victim can't be trusted to give an accurate number of sexual partners she had in a 24 hour period, how can her rape accusation be taken at face value??
or, you know, she doesn't want to get blasted in court because she's slept with more people than you think is appropriate.

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Also, when there's other DNA evidence found in the panties of the victim but not from the alleged perpetrator(right?? Winston's DNA wasn't found on or in the victim??), what DA with a half a brain in any jurisdiction in the U.S. wants to take on this case??
any, if there's sufficient evidence elsewhere to arrest him. none if there isn't. *shrug*

not directed at anyone specific, regardless of the above quotes: the *fact* remains that the number of sexual partners a woman has had has no bearing on a rape case, unless you think 'he's innocent because she's a ****' is an admissible argument for a prosecutor. if you don't, then you should take a deep breath and realize that your BS sense of propriety has ****-all to do with a rape case and you should probably never really talk about it again.
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God help any woman convincing a jury she was raped after discovering she slept with multiple partners that same day.

It's not fair but that's a tough case to prove to any jury.
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God help any woman convincing a jury she was raped after discovering she slept with multiple partners that same day.

It's not fair but that's a tough case to prove to any jury.
and now you see why someone would have motivation to "not remember".

(and, i should note, none of this means i think jameis did or didn't do it. i have no idea what the story is and i don't think nfldc will be the place that breaks it. i just have issue with that particular line of reasoning being used to suggest a woman is a liar or that allegations are or may be false. i can't help but imagine that there are other details that would be more persuasive.)
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which was clearly not in any vague way part of the implication here. i'd further submit a 'citation needed' as i don't buy it at all.



or, you know, she doesn't want to get blasted in court because she's slept with more people than you think is appropriate.



any, if there's sufficient evidence elsewhere to arrest him. none if there isn't. *shrug*

not directed at anyone specific, regardless of the above quotes: the *fact* remains that the number of sexual partners a woman has had has no bearing on a rape case, unless you think 'he's innocent because she's a ****' is an admissible argument for a prosecutor. if you don't, then you should take a deep breath and realize that your BS sense of propriety has ****-all to do with a rape case and you should probably never really talk about it again.
I agree, idc how many people she slept with in her life or that night, the only question is, did she want to sleep with him? She could be in a consensual gangbang for all I care, if she says no to a guy, that's all that matters. I'm not pretending to know what happened here, but on that issue, I agree with you 100%.
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not directed at anyone specific, regardless of the above quotes: the *fact* remains that the number of sexual partners a woman has had has no bearing on a rape case, unless you think 'he's innocent because she's a ****' is an admissible argument for a prosecutor. if you don't, then you should take a deep breath and realize that your BS sense of propriety has ****-all to do with a rape case and you should probably never really talk about it again.
It is relevant because it skews (and likely negates) the results of the rape kit if it is consistent with rape, which in this case it was not. Think about this from the accused point of view for a minute. This isn't the instance in which the rape shield laws kick in, this is the exception to the rule. And it would also seem pretty relevant when the description she gave of her attacker matched her BF much more than Winston. From there she lied to the police about her alcohol consumption (overstating it) and said she was drunk.

I do feel bad for women who can't come forward because others make it impossible by making it up for whatever reason. I also despise the part of "rape culture" in this country where the accused is instantly found guilty in the court of public opinion be damned of what the facts actually turn out to be, often accompanied by the blood thirst to deny them of their rights. With virtually every article written the journalistic tone was to use Winston not saying anything to the police against him, despite that being a basic Constitutional right.

Hell even years after the fact people still look to vilify the accused and white knight the "victim" even after her story is revealed to be a lie, for example the Duke Lacrosse case where a filthy ***** tried ruining the lives of multiple men. Yet now it's being used as an example of sports having too much influence in the world.
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It is relevant because it skews (and likely negates) the results of the rape kit if it is consistent with rape, which in this case it was not.
citation STILL needed.

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Think about this from the accused point of view for a minute. This isn't the instance in which the rape shield laws kick in, this is the exception to the rule. And it would also seem pretty relevant when the description she gave of her attacker matched her BF much more than Winston. From there she lied to the police about her alcohol consumption (overstating it) and said she was drunk.
ok? again, i haven't once intimated that he did it, that i think he did it, or that he even might have done it. simply that calling her a **** is ****** defense and should be laughed out of the court the instant anyone so much as thinks of saying it out loud.

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Hell even years after the fact people still look to vilify the accused and white knight the "victim" even after her story is revealed to be a lie, for example the Duke Lacrosse case where a filthy ***** tried ruining the lives of multiple men. Yet now it's being used as an example of sports having too much influence in the world.
anyone talking about that case in that way is an idiot. again, not relevant.
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