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Old 05-01-2014, 01:43 PM    (permalink
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Touchdown Tommy Vardell?
Why, was he picked before Tom Brady?
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Why, was he picked before Tom Brady?
Only by 8 years.

Vardell was a god awful pick though, I don't know that there has ever been a FB worth a First Round pick since the definition was switched with HB. MAYBE William Floyd was worth it because he was going to an already elite team with few holes to fill, but Vardell was a Top 10 selection.

Seriously though can anyone imagine Bill Belichick drafting a FB in Round 1 now?

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Only by 8 years.

Vardell was a god awful pick though, I don't know that there has ever been a FB worth a First Round pick since the definition was switched with HB. MAYBE William Floyd was worth it because he was going to an already elite team with few holes to fill, but Vardell was a Top 10 selection.
He was more of an eye back out of Stanford. The thought was he was the next John Riggins, which he wasn't obviously.
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He was more of an eye back out of Stanford. The thought was he was the next John Riggins, which he wasn't obviously.
Riggins is a great comparison to what he could have become, but my god for almost every imaginable reason that is one of the worst picks in NFL history. The closest player to Riggins is probably Mike Alstott (who like Floyd may have warranted a 1st Round pick to a playoff team), and he was still a Second Rounder.
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Riggins is a great comparison to what he could have become, but my god for almost every imaginable reason that is one of the worst picks in NFL history. The closest player to Riggins is probably Mike Alstott (who like Floyd may have warranted a 1st Round pick to a playoff team), and he was still a Second Rounder.
Rigging was pretty rare. Ran like a 9.6 hundred yard dash, at 230lbs, out of high school.
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Rigging was pretty rare. Ran like a 9.6 hundred yard dash, at 230lbs, out of high school.
He was rare, but LMAO no he didn't.

Just to put this into perspective if he was that fast in 1968, he would have likely medaled if not won gold at the Olympics, where the then World Record 100m was set at 10.03.

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I just wanted to digress for obvious reasons.
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He was rare, but LMAO no he didn't.

Just to put this into perspective if he was that fast in 1968, he would have likely medaled if not won gold at the Olympics, where the then World Record 100m was set at 10.03.
World record for a hundred yards was 9.1, 9.6 is hardly world class but it's fast for 230. Keep in mind we're talking yards not meters.
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Yeah, the Browns for the aforementioned period, the Lions under Matt Millen and I don't think you can leave Jacksonville out of the mix for the worst drafts of at least the last decade.
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Wait, how are we not talking about the 1999 Saints draft? They literally traded every single pick for Ricky Williams. He only spent three seasons (1999–2001) with the Saints. He was moderately successful there, with two 1000 yard seasons in 2000 and 2001.
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At least Ricky was the best RB in the league for a bit.
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Pretty much any NY Jets draft in the early to mid 90's
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Wait, how are we not talking about the 1999 Saints draft? They literally traded every single pick for Ricky Williams. He only spent three seasons (1999–2001) with the Saints. He was moderately successful there, with two 1000 yard seasons in 2000 and 2001.
Ricky had years of 1400 and 1700 yards from scrimmage. Some teams have had draft years in which they got nothing at all. Two good years from a running back beats all kinds of hell out of getting nothing at all.

...and they traded him for two first round picks. It's not like he had a couple of good years and they just cut him or something.

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The Patriots drafts in 2006 and 2007 were downright awful.

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Round 1 - Pick 21 - Laurence Maroney, RB Minnesota
Round 2 - Pick 36 - Chad Jackson, WR Florida
Round 3 - Pick 86 - David Thomas, TE Texas
Round 4 - Pick 106 - Garrett Mills, TE / HB Tulsa
Round 4 - Pick 118 - Stephen Gostkowski, K Memphis
Round 5 - Pick 136 - Ryan O'Callaghan, OT California
Round 6 - Pick 191 - Jeremy Mincey, DE / LB Florida
Round 6 - Pick 205 - Dan Stevenson, OG Notre Dame
Round 6 - Pick 206 - Le Kevin Smith, DL Nebraska
Round 7 - Pick 229 - Willie Andrews, CB Baylor
They did find a very good kicker in this draft, so that's worth something. David Thomas and Garrett Mills were two complete busts at TE. Thomas found himself a nice little home in New Orleans for a couple seasons, but never did anything of note. O'Callaghan was a backup for a few years in New England. Now on the Chiefs roster. Mincey turned into a solid player for the Jaguars, but did nothing for the Patriots. Stevenson, Smith and Andrews never really had Pro careers.

Chad Jackson was is one of the biggest busts in recent memory. That was an awful pick. Although Maroney did provide some moderate production for a few years they passed on DeAngelo Williams. Maurice Drew was passed on twice for him. Santonio Holmes was still on the board when they took Maroney. What an awful first couple of picks.


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Round 1 - Pick 24 - Brandon Meriweather, S Miami (FL)
Round 4 - Pick 127 - Kareem Brown, DT Miami (FL)
Round 5 - Pick 171 - Clint Oldenburg, OT Colorado State
Round 6 - Pick 180 - Justin Rogers, LB Southern Methodist
Round 6 - Pick 202 - Mike Richardson, DB Notre Dame
Round 6 - Pick 208 - Justise Harriston, RB Central Connecticut State
Round 6 - Pick 209 - Corey Hilliard, OT Oklahoma State
Round 7 - Pick 211 - Oscar Lua, LB USC
Round 7 - Pick 245 - Mike Elgin, OG Iowa

Smartly, the Patriots traded away their second 1st round pick, 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick. Brandon Meriweather never saw a second contract with the Patriots despite finishing his final two seasons as a "Pro Bowl" player. The next safety off the board was a guy named Eric Weddle.

After that, Mike Richardson was the only player to ever play a down of football for the Patriots.
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Denver Broncos -- 2003, 2004, 2005 and 1996.
2009 - the first draft for Josh McDaniels - was epically bad



1(12) - Knowshon Moreno(Not a special back at all)

1(18) - Robert Ayers(Unspectacular and allowed to walk after one contract)

2(36) - Alphonso Smith(Horrible pick. Traded next year's first for him and then traded him for a backup TE after one year)

2 - Darcel McBath(Lasted only a couple of years as a special teamer)

2 - Richard Quinn (Traded several mid round picks for this awful player who did nothing)

3 - Kenny McKinley (Was a special teams standout in year one before sadly taking his own life. RIP.)

4 - David Bruton (Only player still on the roster from that draft and our special teams captain)

5 - Seth Olsen (I think he's a starter somewhere now, but we cut him after one season)

6 - Tom Brandstater (Lasted one year as a third string QB. Out of the league.)

7 - Blake Schleuter (Failed to make the roster)
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3 69 Jason Williams LB Western Illinois 3 75 Robert Brewster T Ball State 4 101 Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M 4 110 Victor Butler DE Oregon State 4 120 Brandon Williams DE Texas Tech 5 143 DeAngelo Smith DB Cincinnati 5 166 Mike Hamlin DB Clemson 5 172 David Buehler K USC 6 197 Stephen Hodge LB Texas Christian 6 208 John Phillips TE Virginia 7 227 Mike Mickens CB Cincinnati 7 229 Manuel Johnson WR Oklahoma
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Who takes a blocking tight end in Round 2? And he turned out to not even be good at blocking.
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The Patriots drafts in 2006 and 2007 were downright awful.



They did find a very good kicker in this draft, so that's worth something. David Thomas and Garrett Mills were two complete busts at TE. Thomas found himself a nice little home in New Orleans for a couple seasons, but never did anything of note. O'Callaghan was a backup for a few years in New England. Now on the Chiefs roster. Mincey turned into a solid player for the Jaguars, but did nothing for the Patriots. Stevenson, Smith and Andrews never really had Pro careers.

Chad Jackson was is one of the biggest busts in recent memory. That was an awful pick. Although Maroney did provide some moderate production for a few years they passed on DeAngelo Williams. Maurice Drew was passed on twice for him. Santonio Holmes was still on the board when they took Maroney. What an awful first couple of picks.





Smartly, the Patriots traded away their second 1st round pick, 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick. Brandon Meriweather never saw a second contract with the Patriots despite finishing his final two seasons as a "Pro Bowl" player. The next safety off the board was a guy named Eric Weddle.

After that, Mike Richardson was the only player to ever play a down of football for the Patriots.
Both of those drafts were absolutely awful, but the 2007 draft has to be one of the worst draft classes of all time.
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Who takes a blocking tight end in Round 2?

Erm, Josh McDaniels, apparently.


Still, it only ranks as the second stupidest thing he did in the 2009 second round. He traded a pick that eventually became Earl Thomas and drafted a 5'9" corner and then traded him a year later for a backup Tight End
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Switching to the CFL for a moment, in the 1995 CFL draft Montreal Alouettes drafted James Eggink from Northern Illinois. Problem was, James had died of cancer the previous December.

So they drafted a dead guy.
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Cowboys 1995 Draft

Round; Pk.; Player; Position; School
Round 2; 46; Sherman Williams; RB; Alabama - Traded out of first rd & Passed DB on Bobby Taylor two times. Taylor could play safety and CB. Instead they selected Williams to back-up Emmitt Smith. Williams saw little action as Smith did not come out of games.
Cowboys were making a push for Deion Sanders. Taylor would have added another versatile player to the mix. Opening night of the '95 season, with Sanders signed, but playing baseball, CB Kevin Smith tore his Achilles. Cowboys lack of foresight.

Round 2; 59; Kendell Watkins; TE; Mississippi State - When drafted, thoughts of moving him to guard. Watkins was just a blocking TE who years later failed a drug test and was out of football. Considered a late rd pick/FA

Round 2; 63; Shane Hannah; G; Michigan State - This was a Hudson Houck pick. Was injured his first year, then quit, eventually tried to come back, but that failed. Considered a late rd pick/FA

Round 3; 92; Charlie Williams; DB; Bowling Green - Williams was unknown. Media had to call Bowling Green Athletic Dept. to get info on Williams. When the person who answered the phone & asked which player they wanted info on, he was very surprised that Williams was drafted. Considered (at best) FA

Round 4; 110; Eric Bjornson; WR; Washington - Bjornson was a QB at UW, moved to WR. Dallas drafted him & moved him to TE to be groomed to take over for Novacek. Considered a FA

Round 4; 129; Alundis Brice; DB; Mississippi - Brice was shot during his Senior Year and was still recovering from his injuries. Considered a Late rd pick/FA

Round 4; 130; Linc Harden; LB; Oklahoma State - Considered a FA

Round 5; 166; Edward Hervey; WR; USC - This guy had speed, could not catch the ball. Dropped everything in the Senior Bowl. Considered a Late rd pick/FA

Round 5; 168; Dana Howard; LB; Illinois - Butkus Award LB, too small, Considered a Late Rd Pick/ FA

Round 7; 236; Oscar Sturgis; DE; North Carolina - Late rd. pick/FA

Round 3*; Darren Benson; DT; Trinity Valley (TX) - The guy was supposed to be the next Leon Lett. Heart was never into football. A project that cost us a 1996 3rd. pick via the Supplemental Draft.

This was just a horrible Draft. The Cowboys rolled out their "Drafting for Special Teams" plan & it was the Start or the Personnel downfall of the 90's Cowboys.
Instead of looking forward and drafting players who could play their position and eventually start. Jerry and Co. came up with the idea that they didn't have any holes & they'd draft players who could play Special Teams first.

We could have added some pieces to the puzzle to keep this Dynasty going.......

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1996 Dallas Cowboys Draft

Round Overall Player Position Birthdate College
2 37 Kavika Pittman DE 10/09/1974 McNeese State
2 49 Randall Godfrey LB 04/06/1973 Georgia
3 67 Clay Shiver C 12/07/1972 Florida State
3 94 Stepfret Williams WR 06/14/1973 Northeast Louisiana
3 95 Mike Ulufale DL 02/01/1972 Brigham Young
5 157 Kenneth McDaniel OG 12/20/1973 Norfolk State
5 167 Alan Campos LB 03/03/1973 Louisville
6 207 Wendell Davis DB 06/27/1973 Oklahoma
7 243 Ryan Wood RB 06/13/1972 Arizona State

Cowboys needing a defensive end (to eventually replace Charles Haley) and picking last in the first rd. had a top 10 rated player (DE, Tony Brackens, Texas) fall into their lap and they traded down with Washington. They though they could trade down & get the extra picks and still draft Brackens.

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Dallas (2009) Not a single player remains on the roster.

3 69 Jason Williams LB Western Illinois 3 75 Robert Brewster T Ball State 4 101 Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M 4 110 Victor Butler DE Oregon State 4 120 Brandon Williams DE Texas Tech 5 143 DeAngelo Smith DB Cincinnati 5 166 Mike Hamlin DB Clemson 5 172 David Buehler K USC 6 197 Stephen Hodge LB Texas Christian 6 208 John Phillips TE Virginia 7 227 Mike Mickens CB Cincinnati 7 229 Manuel Johnson WR Oklahoma
Yeah this was a bad draft. I thought the 4th round picks were pretty good at the time. But they just didn't get enough production from any of them.
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2009 - the first draft for Josh McDaniels - was epically bad



1(12) - Knowshon Moreno(Not a special back at all)

1(18) - Robert Ayers(Unspectacular and allowed to walk after one contract)

2(36) - Alphonso Smith(Horrible pick. Traded next year's first for him and then traded him for a backup TE after one year)

2 - Darcel McBath(Lasted only a couple of years as a special teamer)

2 - Richard Quinn (Traded several mid round picks for this awful player who did nothing)

3 - Kenny McKinley (Was a special teams standout in year one before sadly taking his own life. RIP.)

4 - David Bruton (Only player still on the roster from that draft and our special teams captain)

5 - Seth Olsen (I think he's a starter somewhere now, but we cut him after one season)

6 - Tom Brandstater (Lasted one year as a third string QB. Out of the league.)

7 - Blake Schleuter (Failed to make the roster)
His drafts for Cleveland were even worse. This guy didn't have a clue about drafting.
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