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Old 05-11-2007, 01:29 PM    (permalink
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I like how some people here think a DUI isn't a big deal.

Drunk drivers = scum bags.
You are still in high school, arent you? You will be surprised at the huge number of people that drive drunk. I would say 95% of people that drink have driven drunk, or driven with someone that was drunk.
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Old 05-11-2007, 02:13 PM    (permalink
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You are still in high school, arent you? You will be surprised at the huge number of people that drive drunk. I would say 95% of people that drink have driven drunk, or driven with someone that was drunk.
Way to just make up statistics. That is ridiculous.

As for driving under the influence, easily one of the dumbest things you could do.
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Old 05-11-2007, 02:32 PM    (permalink
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Way to just make up statistics. That is ridiculous.

As for driving under the influence, easily one of the dumbest things you could do.
I don't deny it is stupid, but you would be hard pressed to find someone who hasn't driven drunk or driven with someone who was drunk. Do I mean regularly? Of course not. Do I mean completely shitfaced? No, just above the legal limit. So, if you split a bottle of wine with dinner, it is possible you are at the legal limit. .08 isn't very much alcohol. I don't know a single person that hasn't ever driven drunk, or been with someone who is driving drunk. Not only people my age, but my parents friends, bosses, EVERYONE!!! I will stick with my estimate of 95% of people have driven drunk or been with someone who was drunk.
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Old 05-11-2007, 02:36 PM    (permalink
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If .08 is "drunk" then it might be hard to disagree with that. I'm not sure I know very many people who haven't done that either. I guess I'd make a similar estimate, but not quite that high. There are tons of people who drink that have never even driven before. But I definitely see your point.
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Old 05-11-2007, 02:38 PM    (permalink
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If .08 is "drunk" then it might be hard to disagree with that. I'm not sure I know very many people who haven't done that either. I guess I'd make a similar estimate, but not quite that high. There are tons of people who drink that have never even driven before. But I definitely see your point.
Legally, it is drunk. No one knows what the driver would have blown. Fine I should rephrase, I would estimate that 95% of people have or will drive drunk or ride with someone who is drunk.
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Old 05-11-2007, 02:41 PM    (permalink
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Legally, it is drunk. No one knows what the driver would have blown. Fine I should rephrase, I would estimate that 95% of people have or will drive drunk or ride with someone who is drunk.
Yeah, I see your point for sure. It would be tough for me to argue against that, and I might just agree. Hell, based off my own personal experience, it's pretty damn accurate.
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Especially college kids. Nobody wants to be a DD, somebody who's had a few drinks usually ends up driving home.
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So you subscribe to the whole guilty until proven innocent school of thought huh? The onus of proof should ALWAYS be on the prosecution. No matter the charge.
Well, proof either way is likely impossible, but if you've been drinking with a guy and then hand him the keys because he's less drunk than you (a decision you made whilst over the limit yourself), I don't think they should have to prove he did so knowing the other guy had been drinking, it's just common sense. If he's pulled over in his car with a drunk driver and they were together drinking at the same venue, then that's really all the proof they need by the requirements of this law. It's up to him to then present a case why he may not have known.
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Well, proof either way is likely impossible, but if you've been drinking with a guy and then hand him the keys because he's less drunk than you (a decision you made whilst over the limit yourself), I don't think they should have to prove he did so knowing the other guy had been drinking, it's just common sense. If he's pulled over in his car with a drunk driver and they were together drinking at the same venue, then that's really all the proof they need by the requirements of this law. It's up to him to then present a case why he may not have known.
What? You don't punish people based solely off imaginative assumption. EVER. Like I said, no matter the crime, the burden of proof always rests with the prosecution. Sadly, this most integral element of the justice system is often forgotten or completely disregarded.
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Old 05-12-2007, 02:31 PM    (permalink
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Well, proof either way is likely impossible, but if you've been drinking with a guy and then hand him the keys because he's less drunk than you (a decision you made whilst over the limit yourself), I don't think they should have to prove he did so knowing the other guy had been drinking, it's just common sense. If he's pulled over in his car with a drunk driver and they were together drinking at the same venue, then that's really all the proof they need by the requirements of this law. It's up to him to then present a case why he may not have known.
Then there is no case and it needs to be dismissed.
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