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Old 05-12-2007, 02:54 PM    (permalink
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Big is a LB now right, I even think his number is in the 50's.
No, he got moved back to safety. People think it was a Kiffin move, but I think it could work. Even Derrick Gibson was effective last year when Ryan used him as a 4th linebacker, and I think Bing is a vastly better player in coverage.
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When healthy, it doesn't get much better than Rodney Harrison and Eugene Wilson. Rodney Harrison is easily a top five safety if he is healthy. That's turning into a big if, unfortunately. Take from this what you will, because it could be my case in point, but it could also be completely unrelated: both Rodney and Eugene have been hurt for the better parts of the last two seasons, two seasons in which the Pats lost in the playoffs. The two years prior? They won the Super Bowl. IN those Super Bowl games, the first one, the Pats are up big, Rodney breaks his arm, Eugene Wilson pulls a hammy, both miss some of the third and the entire fourth quarter, Panthers come back and tie it, Pats win on a FG. The next year, Wilson gets hurt again, Eagles come back late. Coincidence? Maybe. But they were obviously doing something very right on the biggest stage of them all.

I think Sean Taylor and Laron Landry will be the best safety duo in the league this year, though, and I don't think it will even be close...
I wouldn't say it is turning into a big if. Rodney Harrison in the past two seasons has played 13 games. You have to be realistic, he is nowhere near the presence he was 3-10 years ago. He doesn't get many big straight on hits, mostly finishing off the pay type big hits then he goes nuts and gets his mouth going. He is a decent play maker in the box, not an out of box presence. Nowhere near the inthe box presence he was when he averaged 3-4 ints a season. He is a presence still, but no nearly the overall presence he once was.

Now saying IF HEALTHY, that alone says their is a slim chance he will be healty. He is 35, 2 seasons ending or damn near ending his year.

Eugene Wilson, played 4 games last year. Was pretyy useless those games. He started off two very solid years in his career. But has been deemed useless that last two.

Ended last year injured.


So thay tandem isin't even allowed to be in the top 10 discussion. both injured and haven't done much in the last year or two.
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Why is this place so super-obsessive about defensive backs? There's like 20 topics on safety's or corners a week.
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I wouldn't say it is turning into a big if. Rodney Harrison in the past two seasons has played 13 games. You have to be realistic, he is nowhere near the presence he was 3-10 years ago. He doesn't get many big straight on hits, mostly finishing off the pay type big hits then he goes nuts and gets his mouth going. He is a decent play maker in the box, not an out of box presence. Nowhere near the inthe box presence he was when he averaged 3-4 ints a season. He is a presence still, but no nearly the overall presence he once was.

Now saying IF HEALTHY, that alone says their is a slim chance he will be healty. He is 35, 2 seasons ending or damn near ending his year.

Eugene Wilson, played 4 games last year. Was pretyy useless those games. He started off two very solid years in his career. But has been deemed useless that last two.

Ended last year injured.


So thay tandem isin't even allowed to be in the top 10 discussion. both injured and haven't done much in the last year or two.
i agree that Wilson-Harrison really isnt top 5

but saying Wilson was useless the 4 games he played is a no no. He made 2 huge stops for us i think against Bills both games..where McGahee broke free and Wilson was 1 on 1 and then chased him down the other time. He saved us a game possibly(1st one where we nearly lost)

I thought Wilson was getting back slowly to where he was first 2 seasons. 2 years ago everyone played bad but everyone got better @ end of season when they got adjusted to each other. Samuel-Wilson both played terriblly with the revolving doors at SS when Harrison went down.
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True, Eugene wasn't terrible. But maybe it was the fact that he had to do more than accustomed too. I don't know. I thik that Merriwether kid will be something near special. Kid is grimey.
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True, Eugene wasn't terrible. But maybe it was the fact that he had to do more than accustomed too. I don't know. I thik that Merriwether kid will be something near special. Kid is grimey.
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True, Eugene wasn't terrible. But maybe it was the fact that he had to do more than accustomed too. I don't know. I thik that Merriwether kid will be something near special. Kid is grimey.
agreed. Coaches are already impressed with his quickness/speed aswell as back pedal and he was calling shots today at minicamp..which proves hes the leader in secondary and he knows how to line everyone up
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Not to be a Homer but Vikings are good with Sharper and Dwight Smith and even are Back ups arent bad with Doss and Tank Williams.
thats some killer depth!

anyway, as it has already beeen said, dewan landry and ed reed both proved that they are an elite duo
as of right now, they are the best
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2 Years max and they will be the best safety tandem, please bro. No doubt they will be good but that's a rediculous statement. Ed Reed and Dawan are the best atleast for the next 5 years, and IMO Sean Taylor and LaRon will be next in line to challenge Ed Reed and Dawan. Don't be surprised to see LaRon and Dawan in the pro bowl soon.
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2 Years max and they will be the best safety tandem, please bro. No doubt they will be good but that's a rediculous statement. Ed Reed and Dawan are the best atleast for the next 5 years, and IMO Sean Taylor and LaRon will be next in line to challenge Ed Reed and Dawan. Don't be surprised to see LaRon and Dawan in the pro bowl soon.
I still can't believe the Redskins took another safety in the top 10...especially when they had bigger needs elsewhere. We know you are a LL and ST fan boy so quit posting the same ****.
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I still can't believe the Redskins took another safety in the top 10...especially when they had bigger needs elsewhere. We know you are a LL and ST fan boy so quit posting the same ****.
Landry was the BPA and they needed somebody to pair with Taylor. Not a bad pick by any means.
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Im with the guys that said CC Brown and Glen Earl.....all joking aside I think it has to go to the Ravens pairing....and for potential....Id go with the Skins and Jets
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I still can't believe the Redskins took another safety in the top 10...especially when they had bigger needs elsewhere. We know you are a LL and ST fan boy so quit posting the same ****.
Do you know what a 46 defense is? Go read up on it. Landry was the BPA available for a 46 defense, like the Redskins, and the best defensive player in the draft. I see you going from thread to thread talking about things that you have no idea about. Go read up before you try to call somebody out, otherwise you look like an idiot.

Since your such a freakin GM yourself, what would you suggest the Redskins do in the draft? Anything else would have been a reach or a stupid move.
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Do you know what a 46 defense is? Go read up on it. Landry was the BPA available for a 46 defense, like the Redskins, and the best defensive player in the draft. I see you going from thread to thread talking about things that you have no idea about. Go read up before you try to call somebody out, otherwise you look like an idiot.

Since your such a freakin GM yourself, what would you suggest the Redskins do in the draft? Anything else would have been a reach or a stupid move.
I dont think the Redskins will ever have the right personell to succesfully run the 46. THey should set their sights on running a more realistic defence
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Well that's what GW has set up for us. Or at least it is very similar to it. It worked in 04 and 05, hopefully 06 was just lack of depth and injuries catching up to us.

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I wouldn't say it is turning into a big if. Rodney Harrison in the past two seasons has played 13 games. You have to be realistic, he is nowhere near the presence he was 3-10 years ago. He doesn't get many big straight on hits, mostly finishing off the pay type big hits then he goes nuts and gets his mouth going. He is a decent play maker in the box, not an out of box presence. Nowhere near the inthe box presence he was when he averaged 3-4 ints a season. He is a presence still, but no nearly the overall presence he once was.

Now saying IF HEALTHY, that alone says their is a slim chance he will be healty. He is 35, 2 seasons ending or damn near ending his year.

Eugene Wilson, played 4 games last year. Was pretyy useless those games. He started off two very solid years in his career. But has been deemed useless that last two.

Ended last year injured.


So thay tandem isin't even allowed to be in the top 10 discussion. both injured and haven't done much in the last year or two.
Rodney Harrison's two injuries have been freak injuries where guys landed on him funny. One was a guy essentially chop blocking him at the knees. If he had those injuries while he was covering a pattern or something like that, I'd be a little more worried. But I for one will never forget the player Rodney has been when he's been on the field during the 13 games the last two years, and all the other games before that.

They absolutely belong in the conversation, because they're the only tandem to win two Super Bowls. If the AFC Championship game had been played a week later, Rodney would have been able to play? Are you going to tell me that he wouldn't have made a difference? Rodney being on the field makes the Patriots defense much different. He is a field general and does a lot for that defense.

So I stand by my point that, when healthy, I'll take Harrison and Wilson every day of the week. I am not saying they are the best, because I have said that Washington will have the best safety combo moving forward, possibly the best one we ever see in our lifetimes if those two play together for a while. And that tandem may not be the only one that's better. But those two guys are fun as hell to watch, have won us two Super Bowls, and if they're healthy, I know they'll get the job done every time.
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