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Old 07-11-2006, 07:52 PM    (permalink
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Will Allen was not good in NY, he is nothing more than an average CB and should not be a #1 corner.
Will Poole has proven zilch in the NFL, 26 tackles and no INT's.
Travis Daniels is still young and inexperienced, although sadly he is your best CB.
Renaldo Hill is also nothing special, he is just a solid starter. Tillman is still horrible depth and should not be in the league.
Who is your FS? Embarassed

D-Line
Could be the oldest D-line in the NFL. Keith Traylor is 37, Vonnie Holliday is 31, Kevin Carter is 33. Very brittle bones there and detoriating talent as well. None of them are the players they once were and are only getting worse. Jeff Zgonina should not be part of the statement "youth and depth." The man is 36 years old! Kevin Vickerson??? Who?? I had to look the man up. He has not recorded a game played in the NFL. With Manny Wright all I have to say is "cry me a river." He has played a whopping 4 games in the NFL.

Linebackers
Spragan/Newman/Hodge are all average players with no potential to get better. Whoever starts will probably total 50 tackles at best and be exploited in pass coverage big time. Zach Thomas is still a top LB in the league but when will he start declining? He is 33...

Recievers
Wes Welker is nothing more than an average reciever, he is a kick returner and should not be the slot reciever. I see Hagan taking the spot but having troubles with drops. Booker's catches have declined every year since 2001 when he caught 100 passes so he is on the decline. Kelly Campbell is as frail as a rail and would not make the roster on most teams. You can not say they have Culpepper either, because you do not know that yet. He is a HUGE question mark.

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I admit that I was wrong here. I did not know that they picked up Beasley in the offseason. He is very good, but also on the decline as he is 32. Darian Barnes I have never heard of and Sammy Morris more of a RB than a FB.

Offensive Line
No really good players here. Jeno James, Rex Hadnot, Daimon McIntosh, Vernon Carey are all just average players. LJ Shelton and Bennie Anderson are fat slugs. Hudson Houck? I don't care who that is beacuse I know he is not playing on the field on Sundays, he is on the sidelines. Just ask Buffalo, your offensive line can be great one year and horrible the next with the exact same players.


What else do you have for me?
Allen is a good corner, just not at getting INTs. He is physical in run support, and is exactly the CB that Saban needs. Poole hasn't gotten a chance to prove anything in the NFL, but he was a very talented player in college and would have been a good starter last year. Daniels is the most experiened player in the secondary with Saban's system and actually helped the vets out last year. Hill is an average starter, but he is an upgrade over Tebucky Jones. And are starter at FS? Maybe first round pick Jason Allen .

None of the DL have shown any type of wearing down, I don't know where you are getting that from. Manny Wright is as talented as any DT in this years draft. If he wasn't impressing in camp I doubt Zgonina would have been moved to end. I said Vickerson is a depth player, thats all.

I know all those players are just average. But the thing is Donnie Spragan had over 50 tackles in starting less than half the year. Hodge has a boatload of potential. The guy is a freak athlete with good size. Also ZT has his best year last year, so I doubt he is wearing down. I would also like to add that we have the freak that is Channing Crowder. So we have 3 dominating LBers, and 1 average one, I think it balances out.

Welker was very good in the slot last season. He was constantly getting open and came up huge in big situations last season. And why do you think Hagan will drop balls? Because he had a bad case of the drops at the senior bowl? Booker was playing for the Bears? What do you want from him? He had a year where he was great, and others where he was average. He is a very good #2. He isn't the best, but he definately isn't a weakness. And how is Culpepper a HUGE question mark? He will be out for 3 weeks tops, and will most likely be ready to start the season. Also Joey isn't the worst thing ever, a lot better than any QB in the Bills roster.

Again you assume people are on the decline because the are over 30. Beasley hasn't shown any signs of wearing down and FBs last for a long time. Barnes is a moster of a run blocker and great on special teams. Not much else though. Morris is a good receiving FB and a good runner. And he is versatile which is a plus.

And this is where you had me cracking up. You don't care who Hudson Houck is? Thats like saying I don't care who Alex Gibbs is. Do you think it is a fluke the line got that much better in one year? You are crazy if he has no effect on the team. Shelton is going to be a beast. Hadnot is on his way to be a top center. Anderson is the type of player Houck does wonders with. We also have Seth McKinney if Anderson doesn't show up. Carey has a lot of potential and showed it last season. I now know why you are making such bad points, you don't know about football.

The main reason we are going to be a top team in the AFC is because of the coaching staff. Saban did wonders last year and also helps with the defensive backs. Mike Mularkey is a very, very good offensive coordinator. Don Capers is one of the best 3-4 defenseive coordinators around. Houck is one of the top 2 OL coaches in the league.

Is that enough?
First off, I know alot about coaches, probably alot more than you do. We supposively have one of the best offensive line coach in the NFL on our team. Does he play on Sundays? Nope. Ever heard of Jim McNally, doubt it.

This could go on for a while. I definitely feel that I have made my case and alot of people agree that Miami is very overrated and will dissapoint this season. I just have one question - so that I can laugh at it at the end of the season - what is your prediction for the Dolphins record in 2006-07? Also, please include whether or not they win the division, make the playoffs and include their record against the Bills.

Oh yeah, good luck with Bennie "The Penalty" Anderson and Mike Mularkey (last name definitely does him justice).
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McNally can only do so much with garbage. He did wonders with Jason Peters. Also if Anderson doesn't do well with have Seth McKinney who is more likely to start this year any way. Mularkey is a very good offensive coordinator. He wasn't a good head coach, but he is a top notch play caller.

I think Miami will win the division, going 11-5. Culpepper will miss the first 4 games, with Miami going 2-2. We will go 1-1 with the Bills, who will finish second in the division. We will sweep both the Jets and Pats.
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McNally can only do so much with garbage. He did wonders with Jason Peters. Also if Anderson doesn't do well with have Seth McKinney who is more likely to start this year any way. Mularkey is a very good offensive coordinator. He wasn't a good head coach, but he is a top notch play caller.

I think Miami will win the division, going 11-5. Culpepper will miss the first 4 games, with Miami going 2-2. We will go 1-1 with the Bills, who will finish second in the division. We will sweep both the Jets and Pats.
Those are some mighty strong words... we'll see at the end of the season.
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I think you bolding them added a little too much emphasis on the will.
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McNally can only do so much with garbage. He did wonders with Jason Peters. Also if Anderson doesn't do well with have Seth McKinney who is more likely to start this year any way. Mularkey is a very good offensive coordinator. He wasn't a good head coach, but he is a top notch play caller.

I think Miami will win the division, going 11-5. Culpepper will miss the first 4 games, with Miami going 2-2. We will go 1-1 with the Bills, who will finish second in the division. We will sweep both the Jets and Pats.
Good point with Peters, he is going to be our best lineman very soon and hopefully will develop into one of the premier lineman in the NFL over the next couple of seasons.

Hopefully for you guys Houck will be able to do something with Shelton or Anderson. IMO, they are both overweight, underathletic lineman who will never be anything in this league, but I am interested to see what he can do with those guys.

That is a fair prediciton, I am going to save it and I'll post it at the end of the season next year to see how it comes out.
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Houck likes fat slobs. Thats the type of players he does miracles with. Shelton was probably the best LT in FA and he wanted to come to Miami because of Houck. And if Houck really didn't matter, how did Miami go from one of the worst lines to giving up the 4th fewest sacks with Gus Frerotte at QB?
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I think you bolding them added a little too much emphasis on the will.
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Indianapolis Colts, there the only team stack with so much talent and do so well in the season and then when the playoffs come around they cant win it.
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Out of those six teams, I'd pick Miami or Cincinnati right now as being the most overhyped (hard to say overrated). Probably Miami, which will likely incur me some wrath. Look, I like the team. But there's new coordinators in town, and as much as Saban is saying they'll adapt to the "Dolphins" way, there's going to be some adjustment time.

More importantly, I just think it'll take another year for Saban to make a serious charge (basically, I don't think the talent is there). If Culpepper is fully healthy, then I might change my mind. But until I see that happen, I'll be wary, and the rest of the depth chart has some questions, IMO. Is there enough depth at RB to be as good as they were last year (essentially, is Ronnie Brown ready to take the next step and is there the depth behind it)? Are there the receivers to be consistent AND to stretch the field (Chambers will be fine, but is Hagan, who has some big questions ready, and how much more can Marty Booker, who I like, give you. Will Kelly Campbell be the deep speed consistency they need?) Most importantly, how good is that offense line? They'll need a solid OL for everything else to fall into place.

But I'm more questionable of the defense. Mularkey is an innovative OC, and despite my concerns there, they will likely produce, provided the QB'ing is solid. Switching to a base 3-4 on a more consistent level will be a chore itself. I really love the addition of Howard Green, who can be a solid NT type. But overall, I'm just not that impressed with the defensive talent and depth. A lot of it is attributed to youth, as things are changing.

I don't know. A lot of people seem to be pegging the Dolphins for great things, which is why I think they are the most overhyped out of that bunch right now. I think they are headed in the right direction, but I look more to a .500ish type season as the personnel and coaching adjusts. Another offseason and I think I can better buy a challenge to the Patriots ruling the division. I figure for another slow start and a hot finish type year.
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i would have to agree with many and say Miami
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Marvin Harrison is on the decline. Defense is worst than last year's overrated unit. No Edgerrin James. No major improvement, unless you consider a Kicker as the savior of the team. :roll: Colts won't make the playoffs.
lol that is freaking hilarious, won't make the playoffs? hahahahaha yeah, ok. I agree they are overrated and Jacksonville could very easily dethrone them but missing the playoffs is laughable.
I back up Shiver on this one. Just because they have had a great past in recent years, doesn't mean they will automatically get in the playoffs.

I think at best Indy gets a wildcard, but I see SD/DEN getting one and an AFC North team getting the other, so right now, I don't think they are a playoff team.
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Explain to me toonsterwu, how MIA can be overhyped when ESPN "experts" think that NE will run away with the AFC East and get in the playoffs?
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Wow Toonster, you never seize to amaze. I didn't even know Howard Green was on the team. The depth at RB is questionable, but Kay-Jay Harris is a guy I really like. He was a mid round talent that went undrafted because of his age. We also have Sammy Morris and Travis Minor who can come in if neccesary. I agree the adjustment to the new coaches will take some time, because last year the adjustment took half the season, but I expect this year to be a little faster because the systems will be mostly the same. Also, it shocked my about the OL, because I thought you of all people would know how improved this unit is.
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