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Old 05-09-2007, 02:36 PM    (permalink
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It's never a good sign when you don't up put at least 50% completion, that kind of worries me. Grothe is pretty good though, could be a decent NFL starter.

HuskerNation, really, you're that proud of winning a mediocre bowl game? That's unbelievably pathetic. I find it odd you're so eager to bring up the Michigan/USC game, do you conveniently forget that your powerhouse Huskers lost 28-10 to SC. So, let's review....

USC 32
Michigan 18 (14 point differential)

USC 28
Nebraska 10 (18 point differential)
Okay, first of all, a bit under 50% completion isn't terrible for a QB who still has plenty of time and played teams like Ohio State and Penn State. Brady Quinn threw 47.3% with 9 TD and 15 INT in his freshman year - Juice's stats are better than that, and he's got better tools. Not to say Juice is better than Quinn, but it's too early to look at stats. Also, point differential is stupid. What if Nebraska put up 40 points and lost by 16 but Michigan put up a goose egg and lost by 14?
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Okay, first of all, a bit under 50% completion isn't terrible for a QB who still has plenty of time and played teams like Ohio State and Penn State. Brady Quinn threw 47.3% with 9 TD and 15 INT in his freshman year - Juice's stats are better than that, and he's got better tools. Not to say Juice is better than Quinn, but it's too early to look at stats. Also, point differential is stupid. What if Nebraska put up 40 points and lost by 16 but Michigan put up a goose egg and lost by 14?
but they didn't.
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Okay, first of all, a bit under 50% completion isn't terrible for a QB who still has plenty of time and played teams like Ohio State and Penn State. Brady Quinn threw 47.3% with 9 TD and 15 INT in his freshman year - Juice's stats are better than that, and he's got better tools. Not to say Juice is better than Quinn, but it's too early to look at stats. Also, point differential is stupid. What if Nebraska put up 40 points and lost by 16 but Michigan put up a goose egg and lost by 14?
Juice completed 39%.

...Then Nebraska's defense would be bad, and Michigan's O would be bad too. Point is, Michigan made it a closer game, didn't they?
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Juice is really that big? No way. Those listings are always messed up.

No way this kid is 233 pounds:

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Juice completed 39%.

...Then Nebraska's defense would be bad, and Michigan's O would be bad too. Point is, Michigan made it a closer game, didn't they?
No they didn't actually, you guys were out of it from the beginning pretty much. Nebraksa hung around for 3 quarters like they wanted to.
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3-3 at half....yep out of it the whole time
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Williams isn't that fast, and 6'2? He's really 6'2?
He is a clone of Donovan McNabb, and he is fast not Michael VIck fast but he I am sure runs in the 4.5-4.6 range.

He is 6'2 listed in multiple publications and no one except here has his height been questioned. This year he will start to get the Heisman hype and next season he will be a Heisman contender no doubt. The Illini have brought in a tremendous WR recruit Aurelious Benn, the guy has all the makings of a great WR and the physcial size to go along with it !
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He won't sniff the Heisman unless he starts hitting more than 39% of his passes. Benn, by all acounts, is a playmaker, but the rest of the team isn't that good. Chad Henne has Mario Manningham and Adrian Arrington along with a running game, does that make him a Heisman contender?
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You know how the underclassmen listings for height and weight are. It says Williams is 6'2'' 233, LMFAO yea right. He is more like 6' maybe jusy maybe 6'1'' and about 205 pounds.
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Juice has a great chance for sucess in the NFL. Good arm, mobile and if he got a little better acuracy he could be one hell of a QB.
I disagree...he needs to get A LOT better accuracy...he looks like a safety to me.
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You know how the underclassmen listings for height and weight are. It says Williams is 6'2'' 233, LMFAO yea right. He is more like 6' maybe jusy maybe 6'1'' and about 205 pounds.
Have you seen him in person? He's atleast 220lbs.

Juice says he's 6'0 not 6'2 so the listing is wrong on the height.. But he is a legit 225+lbs.

You're an idiot if you think he's 200-205lbs.
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He won't sniff the Heisman unless he starts hitting more than 39% of his passes. Benn, by all acounts, is a playmaker, but the rest of the team isn't that good. Chad Henne has Mario Manningham and Adrian Arrington along with a running game, does that make him a Heisman contender?
LOL.

Possibly the dumbest thing I have read on this site.

Uh, yeah Henne will be a Heisman contender.
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I disagree...he needs to get A LOT better accuracy...he looks like a safety to me.
He looks like a safety? Want to explain that?

Btw his completion percentage is misleading. He had a ton of dropped balls last year, a ton. Probably 3 or 4 a game if not more. But yes his accuracy definitely needs improvement.
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He looks like a safety? Want to explain that?

Btw his completion percentage is misleading. He had a ton of dropped balls last year, a ton. Probably 3 or 4 a game if not more. But yes his accuracy definitely needs improvement.
Yeah so did Brady Quinn, he still completed 60%+. Rhema himself would drop 2 a game and then make a spectacular catch that made sportscenter.

Juice, NEEDS ALOT OF IMPROVEMENT. He is not the step away in which you are making him seem to be.
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Yeah so did Brady Quinn, he still completed 60%+. Rhema himself would drop 2 a game and then make a spectacular catch that made sportscenter.

Juice, NEEDS ALOT OF IMPROVEMENT. He is not the step away in which you are making him seem to be.
And he's shown improvement this offseason if you actually followed the Illini. His accuracy still needs work from what I hear but it's gotten better. We had the worst hands of any WR core in the nation, I can guarantee you that right now. Not one WR could catch the ball consistently.

Young QB's usually take time to develop, and Juice is no different. But he does have the tools to be a dynamite player.
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Yeah so did Brady Quinn, he still completed 60%+. Rhema himself would drop 2 a game and then make a spectacular catch that made sportscenter.

Juice, NEEDS ALOT OF IMPROVEMENT. He is not the step away in which you are making him seem to be.
Brady as a senior or freshman?

Juice was 18 last year playing in the B10 with little to no help.. That is younger than that loser "phenom" that signed w/ ND last year. In a tough conference unlike ND who schedules cupcakes.

We're not talking about 2 drops a game here.. We're talking about 6-8. Dropping Screens, etc..

No one is talking about him as a heisman contender this year, of course he needs to improve and he has. He's going to be much improved this year & in his junior & season seniors we will most likely see a very good to great College player.
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Brady as a senior or freshman?

Juice was 18 last year playing in the B10 with little to no help.. That is younger than that loser "phenom" that signed w/ ND last year. In a tough conference unlike ND who schedules cupcakes.

We're not talking about 2 drops a game here.. We're talking about 6-8. Dropping Screens, etc..

No one is talking about him as a heisman contender this year, of course he needs to improve and he has. He's going to be much improved this year & in his junior & season seniors we will most likely see a very good to great College player.
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Yeah so did Brady Quinn, he still completed 60%+. Rhema himself would drop 2 a game and then make a spectacular catch that made sportscenter.
reading comprehension...he said one player would drop atleast 2 a game, not 2 for the whole team...

As possibly the biggest anti-Illini member of this site, I really dislike Juice...however, he does have the size and arm to succeed at QB, he has the talent around him to do well, and maybe as the young team gains more experience and gets used to playing with eachother he will improve...I only got to see him in the Iowa game and a little here and there from clips of other games, but a lot of his passes look like Rex Grossman where he just drops and launches the ball, but that might be play call...but also a lot of his passes I saw were overthrown or not on target...now he may have had a ton of dropped passes, I don't know, but from the little I saw he had more passes off target than dropped...we will see if he improves at all this year I just wouldn't expect Benn to all of a sudden turn Juice into a 2500, 20 TD, 60% passer just like that...
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LOL.

Possibly the dumbest thing I have read on this site.

Uh, yeah Henne will be a Heisman contender.
Yeah...sure he will...throwing the ball 15 times a game...I'm one of the biggest Michigan fans and I'm predicting he doesn't make it to NY.
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reading comprehension...he said one player would drop atleast 2 a game, not 2 for the whole team...

As possibly the biggest anti-Illini member of this site, I really dislike Juice...however, he does have the size and arm to succeed at QB, he has the talent around him to do well, and maybe as the young team gains more experience and gets used to playing with eachother he will improve...I only got to see him in the Iowa game and a little here and there from clips of other games, but a lot of his passes look like Rex Grossman where he just drops and launches the ball, but that might be play call...but also a lot of his passes I saw were overthrown or not on target...now he may have had a ton of dropped passes, I don't know, but from the little I saw he had more passes off target than dropped...we will see if he improves at all this year I just wouldn't expect Benn to all of a sudden turn Juice into a 2500, 20 TD, 60% passer just like that...
And no one is saying he will turn into a 20 TD passer just like that, but he will be improved this year. I fully expect Juice to be an impact player by his junior season. Oh and being an Illini fan, he had more drops than anyone in Division I football. His WR's were horrid last year.
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reading comprehension...he said one player would drop atleast 2 a game, not 2 for the whole team...

As possibly the biggest anti-Illini member of this site, I really dislike Juice...however, he does have the size and arm to succeed at QB, he has the talent around him to do well, and maybe as the young team gains more experience and gets used to playing with eachother he will improve...I only got to see him in the Iowa game and a little here and there from clips of other games, but a lot of his passes look like Rex Grossman where he just drops and launches the ball, but that might be play call...but also a lot of his passes I saw were overthrown or not on target...now he may have had a ton of dropped passes, I don't know, but from the little I saw he had more passes off target than dropped...we will see if he improves at all this year I just wouldn't expect Benn to all of a sudden turn Juice into a 2500, 20 TD, 60% passer just like that...
Reading comprehension? I interpreted it like he said.. He brought up 2 drops by one player. I didn't think he understood how many drops we were talking about with Juice.

And no one has said Juice was going to be a 60% passer & throw for 20 tds. We have all been saying he has a ton of potential and will be greatly improved. Maybe you need to learn how to read a bit better before you run your mouth.
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I was just using those stats as an example I never said anyone gave those numbers specifically, but people are making it out like Benn is all of a sudden going to improve Juice's numbers drastically...yes with all the talent around around him Juice should improve his numbers but we will how much he improves, if at all...

and he said one player would drop 2 by himself, which he implied that obviously there is going to be other drops in the game...

I will guarantee right now that Juice will never be in the running for the Heisman ever, he might be mention in the same sentence by people but never in the running and will be a 2nd day draft pick at best...Zook is still too much of a joke to teach him or anyone on that football team anything
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Zook doesn't work with Juice that much at all.

Locksley does.. And he's not a bad coach at all. He will be a D1 HC very soon.
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