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Old 07-17-2006, 03:01 PM    (permalink
 
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Shiver and I are having a debate as to who is better/more valuable, Keith Brooking or Derrick Brooks.

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You called me a homer, because I didn't think Derrick Brooks is exponentially an upgrade than Keith Brooking is at this point and time.
I think Keith Brooking is a good player, but I also think Derrick Brooks is a great player and is not showing his age yet. Everyone says he is getting older and slower...

Derrick Brooks ranked #2 in the NFL in tackles for Outside Linebackers in 2005. He was 2 combined tackles (125) behind the leader, Demorrio Williams (127).

This is not to mention 3 sacks, 1 INT, a 2006 Pro Bowl MVP, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Keith Brooking had a very very respectable 115 tackles, 3.5 sacks, and 4 INTs.

The question is, which one is more valuable: Brooks or Brooking (this question isn't a "dynasty" question, as to which one is more valuable over the next 8 years, but just for next season).
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Brooking easily. He is the second best OLB (behind Bulluck) and he can play every LB position. He is very important to the Falcons defense. Brooks is very important to the Bucs, but next season I would take Brooking.
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Brooking is awesome but doesnt compare to the leadership and ability of Brooks
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I have to go with Brooks...even if I was a Falcon fan i probably would consider him the best OLB in the game...
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- 5 Straight Pro-Bowls at three different positions. (4-3 WLB, MLB and 3-4 ILB)
- Only 30 Years old, three years younger than Brooks.
- Had 3 more Interceptions than Brooks, and the same ammount of Sacks.


Career Wise; Brooks.
Here and Now; Brooking.


Of note; this started because I felt Chris Hovan would be a bigger upgrade for the Falcons defense, than Derrick Brooks would be. In the "take 2 from your division teams" thread.
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Brooking is awesome but doesnt compare to the leadership and ability of Brooks
Brooking is the unquestioned leader of the Falcons defense.
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Brooking. He was only 10 tackles behind brooks, but he picked off 5 more passes.
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Shiver and I are having a debate as to who is better/more valuable, Keith Brooking or Derrick Brooks.

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You called me a homer, because I didn't think Derrick Brooks is exponentially an upgrade than Keith Brooking is at this point and time.
I think Keith Brooking is a good player, but I also think Derrick Brooks is a great player and is not showing his age yet. Everyone says he is getting older and slower...

Derrick Brooks ranked #2 in the NFL in tackles for Outside Linebackers in 2005. He was 2 combined tackles (125) behind the leader, Demorrio Williams (127).

This is not to mention 3 sacks, 1 INT, a 2006 Pro Bowl MVP, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Keith Brooking had a very very respectable 115 tackles, 3.5 sacks, and 4 INTs.

The question is, which one is more valuable: Brooks or Brooking (this question isn't a "dynasty" question, as to which one is more valuable over the next 8 years, but just for next season).
yeah and you forgot to mention that Brooking was playing out of his natural WLB spot the entire year. you also completely forgot the fact that Brooking had an overall better year considering he was only 10 tackles behind Brooks but had 3 more INT's and .5 more sacks. and no one cares about pro bowl MVP. it's like bragging about company softball MVP.
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It's stupid to think that

10 Tackles

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.5 Sack
3 Interceptions


Not even considering age, which Brooking has much more left in the tank.
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Brooking is awesome but doesnt compare to the leadership and ability of Brooks
Brooking is the unquestioned leader of the Falcons defense.
Brooks is the unquestioned leader of the Buccaneers TEAM, not just defense.
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Brooking is awesome but doesnt compare to the leadership and ability of Brooks
Brooking is the unquestioned leader of the Falcons defense.
Brooks is the unquestioned leader of the Buccaneers TEAM, not just defense.
well, I'm sorry the Falcons have Vick who leads the entire team. You can't really hold that against Brooking. man sometimes you come off as the biggest ****** I have ever seen post here.
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- 5 Straight Pro-Bowls at three different positions. (4-3 WLB, MLB and 3-4 ILB)
- Only 30 Years old, three years younger than Brooks.
- Had 3 more Interceptions than Brooks, and the same ammount of Sacks.
-9 straight Pro bowls, take that
-Brooks doesn't play his age like I said
-Mad props to Brooking for the INTs, not going to lie
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I would take Keith Brooking he can play a lot of positons on defense. He has a couple more years more to play then Brooks.
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Brooking. He was only 10 tackles behind brooks, but he picked off 5 more passes.
It's 3 more INTs. You subtract, not add. j/k Staubach
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I would take Keith Brooking he can play a lot of positons on defense. He has a couple more years more to play then Brooks.
This wasn't a multiple season question. Read the freaking question (*******)
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I'd probaly go with Derrick Brooks if I had one season to win the Super Bowl. He has the experience and talent to lead a defence both physically and mentally. Also, analyzing stats (especially when they're this similar) won't determine who the better player is.
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I'd probaly go with Derrick Brooks if I had one season to win the Super Bowl. He has the experience and talent to lead a defence both physically and mentally. Also, analyzing stats (especially when they're this similar) won't determine who the better player is.
Good point about the stats, I just wanted to prove that Brooks isn't slowing down like people want to claim. And I have to show Brooking's stats to be fair. So there you go.
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Derrick Brooks and its not even close for me.
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It's stupid to think that

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Not even considering age, which Brooking has much more left in the tank.
If we are talking about last year, Brooks and the Bucs beat Brooking and the Falcons 2x, and Brooks forced Vick to fumble while the Falcons were driving to win the first game.

If we are talking about the length of their careers, it's not even close. Brooks was the Defensive MVP of the NFL the year the Bucs won the the Super Bowl, he was even better in the playoffs that year.

If we are talking about the future, well, ya gotta beat the champ to be the champ.
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If we are talking about last year, Brooks and the Bucs beat Brooking and the Falcons 2x, and Brooks forced Vick to fumble while the Falcons were driving to win the first game.
Yeah, Brooks and that defense were the reason Tampa Bay won those two games. (27 Points, 443 Net Yards, and 24 Points allowed, 281 Net Yards) :roll: Not to mention, Brooks didn't cause the fumble, Dunn's helmet did. It was the O-Line that let Brooks go untouched, forcing Dunn to jump in front of Vick, thus his helmet and the football collided.

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If we are talking about the length of their careers, it's not even close. Brooks was the Defensive MVP of the NFL the year the Bucs won the the Super Bowl, he was even better in the playoffs that year.
No debate from me, over their career, Brooks is much better. But that isn't the question in this thread, nor my point.
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I'd probaly go with Derrick Brooks if I had one season to win the Super Bowl. He has the experience and talent to lead a defence both physically and mentally. Also, analyzing stats (especially when they're this similar) won't determine who the better player is.

True, but it proves they are very close, which agrees with my original point.

- Derrick Brooks is a better at;

man coverage
flowing to the ball

- Keith Brooking is better at;

the point of attack
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Derrick Brooks by far.

Care to explain to me how Derrick Brooks will be better next year "by far."
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