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Old 05-23-2007, 05:46 PM    (permalink
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Don Nelson was in frickin love with Darko in 2003. I wouldn't be surprised if GS make a run at him.
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where you guys think the Nets go in round 1? it'd be sweet if they traded it for Frye like i did in the forum mock
why would you want a big that doesn't rebound and degressed this year?
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Don Nelson was in frickin love with Darko in 2003. I wouldn't be surprised if GS make a run at him.
ummmm biedrins....very similar player, except for the lack of perimeter shooting.
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Nets need a low post scorer, and a possible replacement for VC to compete with Antoine Wright. Tiago Splitter is an option or Jason Smith, or even Avis Wyatt. As far as a SG one of these are bound to drop to them:
-Derrick Byars(aka next Dwade)
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-Marcus Williams-Would be neat to have 2 Marcus Williams.
I don't know about Dwade, but I love Byars. Probably my favorite college player last year. He is just a complete player. Mock's have him in the 20's, I think that's going to be a complete steal.
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Like I said before... pretty much if we sign a big name FA... Darko or Hedo is gone...more than likely Hedo at least i hope.
I highly doubt Hedo is gone. Otis is not known to be a trader type. The Darko trade shocked the world. Hedo will be back. Darko? That's where I think Otis will get stupid in handling that situation. He's just going to be the next player gone through the Magic that turned into something better...

Now that we canned Hill, resigning Darko has to be our #1 priority.
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ummmm biedrins....very similar player, except for the lack of perimeter shooting.
Biedrins is much better than Darko.
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I highly doubt Hedo is gone. Otis is not known to be a trader type. The Darko trade shocked the world. Hedo will be back. Darko? That's where I think Otis will get stupid in handling that situation. He's just going to be the next player gone through the Magic that turned into something better...

Now that we canned Hill, resigning Darko has to be our #1 priority.
I dont know... it's looking like one or the other if we want a to bring in a scorer and i'd rather keep Darko.

So, happy we fired Hill... Now we need a coach who will actually get our team running... we didnt shoot threes last season and Darko was being used as an in the paint PF...it was killing me... he is a mixture of Pau and Dirk... clearly he is not on their level yet but, his game falls somewhere in between them and he needs to be utilized as such a player...Brian Hill was a moron.

Oh another thing...Jameer Nelson... someone needs to teach the man how the position is supposed to be played...ugh.
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Possible talk about Portland trading Zach Randoloph for Rashard Lewis. That would be sick with Jack, Roy, Rashard, LaMarcus, and Oden. And Bulls fans fret all you want but Aldridge should have been the pick. Everything you are whining about and wanting in a bigman Aldridge has.
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Any chance that Richard Jefferson get's traded to the Bobcats for the 8th pick? Since Wallace is most likely on his way out (I think). Then the NEts could nab Hawes?
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Possible talk about Portland trading Zach Randoloph for Rashard Lewis. That would be sick with Jack, Roy, Rashard, LaMarcus, and Oden. And Bulls fans fret all you want but Aldridge should have been the pick. Everything you are whining about and wanting in a bigman Aldridge has.
BINGO! I remember saying that last year as well.

That trade makes so much sense it's just gotta happen.
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Possible talk about Portland trading Zach Randoloph for Rashard Lewis. That would be sick with Jack, Roy, Rashard, LaMarcus, and Oden. And Bulls fans fret all you want but Aldridge should have been the pick. Everything you are whining about and wanting in a bigman Aldridge has.
Salaries don't seem to match, and failed on RealGM. Seattle need to throw a small contract in to match. Or sign and trade?
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Salaries don't seem to match, and failed on RealGM. Seattle need to throw a small contract in to match. Or sign and trade?
Rashard will be a free agent he will sign the max so the salaries will match.
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I dont know... it's looking like one or the other if we want a to bring in a scorer and i'd rather keep Darko.

So, happy we fired Hill... Now we need a coach who will actually get our team running... we didnt shoot threes last season and Darko was being used as an in the paint PF...it was killing me... he is a mixture of Pau and Dirk... clearly he is not on their level yet but, his game falls somewhere in between them and he needs to be utilized as such a player...Brian Hill was a moron.

Oh another thing...Jameer Nelson... someone needs to teach the man how the position is supposed to be played...ugh.
I just figured it out!

If we bring in a marquee big name FA, then it will have to be by Sign & Trade.

Example: Vince Carter

- The Nets would do this so they get something back in return for Carter instead of losing him outright. They also can sign Carter to a bigger contract than the Magic could. They'd like it a lot if they can increase an opponent's cap situation.

- The Magic would do this because by sending contracts back in return, salaries don't have to match up and they'd be able to send practically anything. A package of Hedo or Arroyo, an exception and maybe a 2nd Rounder could do it. That would clear the cap for the Magic to resign Darko.

Boo ya.
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The Nets could work out a much better deal elsewhere.
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This is from yahoo rumors and the Chicago Tribune.

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Perhaps a sign-and-trade deal with the Seattle SuperSonics for free agent Rashard Lewis or to the New Jersey Nets for Vince Carter?
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I just figured it out!

If we bring in a marquee big name FA, then it will have to be by Sign & Trade.

Example: Vince Carter

- The Nets would do this so they get something back in return for Carter instead of losing him outright. They also can sign Carter to a bigger contract than the Magic could. They'd like it a lot if they can increase an opponent's cap situation.

- The Magic would do this because by sending contracts back in return, salaries don't have to match up and they'd be able to send practically anything. A package of Hedo or Arroyo, an exception and maybe a 2nd Rounder could do it. That would clear the cap for the Magic to resign Darko.

Boo ya.
Yeah, it could work but, dont know if the nets would do it... they do already have Kidd and Williams... dont really have the need for another PG... it's gonna be tough.
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Nachbar is the same as Hedo and Marcus Williams is 10x better than Arroyo. Why would they do this?
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Nachbar is the same as Hedo and Marcus Williams is 10x better than Arroyo. Why would they do this?
They wouldnt...it would just work financially... the Magic are going to have to get very creative this off season. Darko is gonna take a huge chunk out of our cap space... i do want him, though.
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Possible talk about Portland trading Zach Randoloph for Rashard Lewis. That would be sick with Jack, Roy, Rashard, LaMarcus, and Oden. And Bulls fans fret all you want but Aldridge should have been the pick. Everything you are whining about and wanting in a bigman Aldridge has.
I thought so last draft. I didn't like the Thomas pick.

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Yes, Memphis and Milwaukee tanked it as well. I haven't heard a fan of either team come in here and start complaining about the NBA screwed them or that they didn't tank.

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Homerism is a ******** word. It's the kind of word that gets thrown around whenever someone can't debunk facts that are slapping them in the face. Ryan Gomes spoke for himself. He wanted to play. He's a competitor. But show me some games down the stretch that are games we should have won.
No, it's the kind of word that gets thrown around when a fan of a certain team makes an incredibly insane statement. Gomes spoke for the whole team at that point. Why would the **** would Doc Rivers get a contract extension with the kind of record they put up? Simple, because the front office told him to tank and he did as he was told. No other coach in the NBA would get rehired after putting up that kind of record with that kind of talent. The Celtics could have been a bottom seed in the East this year.

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There is absolutely zero benefit to having the worst, second worst or eight worst record in the league. If there was, all three teams with the three worst records in the league wouldn't be picking 4-5-6. If there was, the Celtics wouldn't have picked 3 and 6 the year that they statistically had the best odds of getting 1 and 3 and thus missed out on Tim Duncan. Danny Ainge preached that all year. The Celtics are a very young, exciting team that can score points but can't play defense. That is why they were so bad.
Yes, there is a benefit; you have a better percentage chance of winning the lottery. So just because your favorite team who had a terrible record didn't end up with the number one pick you're going to assume that losing more games doesn't make a difference? The lottery is a crapshoot. Anything can happen so that's why the Celtics didn't end up with Oden or Duncan. That doesn't change the fact that the teams with the worst records have a better chance of getting higher picks.

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So if you want to start talking about the Celtics tanking, start coming specific. Tell me some plays they made that caused them to purposely lose games. Ryan Gomes wouldn't have put us over the top in those games.
I can't give you a list of every play they tanked on but believe me, you can tell by the lack of effort they were putting into games.

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This was a great year for the Celtics, regardless of their record. Al Jefferson took that next step and really elevated his game. Rajon Rondo was great and really picked it up down the stretch. Ryan Gomes continued to develop. Gerald Green showed us that he could be a legit scoring threat. But those guys wouldn't have had as many chances to play if Pierce, Szczerbiak, Ratliff and Allen were healthier all year. So you take the good with the bad. But again, to say the Celtics flat out tanked it is uneducated, disingenuous and flat out irresponsible, and that's all there is to it. You're wrong.
Yes, it would have been a great year had Ainge not been a punk and told Rivers to lose games. Had the Celtics gotten the number five pick without tanking there would be a lot more respect for them on this forum and in the league. You play to win; no matter what. I agree that all of four those guys are developing nicely and it's good for the franchise. Yes, Pierce and the gang being healthy would have made a difference but they still lost games on purpose. I agree you should take the good with the bad so be happy that you only ended up with the number five pick. I'm not saying they flat out tanked but for you to say they didn't at all is biased, self-centered, and homerism, and that's all there is to it.
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Yeah, it could work but, dont know if the nets would do it... they do already have Kidd and Williams... dont really have the need for another PG... it's gonna be tough.
You guys are missing the point. I don't even want Vince Carter that much.

Additionally, it doesn't matter if the Nets can get more for Carter. IF Carter decides that he wants to come to Orlando, then the Nets are no longer in the driver's seat. They lose all control and negotiating power. They pretty much have to work out something that the Magic would be willing to give up. Why? Because the Magic being under the cap, can sign Carter to a max contract on their own, leaving the Nets out of the picture. They'll be left out to dry. So if the Nets want to get anything out in return for Carter, they'll pull a S&T.

I'm a Magic fan that witnessed Shaq walking out the door leaving the Magic with nothing. I saw Penny Hardaway leave for the Suns in a S&T where the Magic received Danny Manning and Pat Garrity in return. I remember Grant Hill coming to Orlando via S&T with Detroit where we gave up Ben Wallace and Chucky Atkins in return. That's how it works. Once a player decides that he wants to go to a team with enough cap space to sign him to a deal he wants outright, then his old team is at the mercy of losing him for nothing or trying to salvage something back in return. The latter being more common.

However, if Carter decides he wants to stay in NJ, then of course, they strike a deal. The Nets knew they would face this issue at the end of the season, but apparently they felt they could persuade him to stay.... Otherwise, they would've traded him before the Trade Deadline, in order to get something in return. Now they are gambling. They are in competition with all the other teams who are under the cap far enough to sign him.

That's important to note because in Orlando's case, if they are going to target Carter, they won't only be trying to persuade him to leave NJ... but they will also be trying to persuade him from going to another team far under the cap who could also be targeting him.

So by saying, the Nets could get a better deal than Hedo or Arroyo, and exception and a pick... or some other package... is not right IF Carter decides Orlando is the place he wants to go to.
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Here's an early mock I threw together for shits & giggles: http://boosanta.blogspot.com/2007/05...eams-only.html

Not anything too earth-shattering.
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What do you guys think of Jarrett Jack. A franchise PG or a solid journeyman?
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What do you guys think of Jarrett Jack. A franchise PG or a solid journeyman?
I think he would a be solid serviceable PG. Maybe a 3rd or 4th option offensively at best. I would compare him to a Travis Best or Eric Snow. He'll have a long career in the league.
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