NBA Discussion Thread - Page 101

Brodeur · 05-26-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sweetness34

Rashard Lewis is officially a F/A per ESPN.com, not a big surprise but it's official now. I think he ends up in Orlando if the price is right.

He's a terrific scorer, but no team will ever go far with Rashard unless they have an elite defender to help him out. He's just a hideously awful defender.

SeanTaylorRIP · 05-26-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

He's a terrific scorer, but no team will ever go far with Rashard unless they have an elite defender to help him out. He's just a hideously awful defender.

He can score and rebound, I'd love him on any of my times. He obviously won't be a teams franchise centerpiece but he will help a team go far, Larry Hughes gets the max, so Rashard is more than worthy of that contract and a #2/3 optioned player on a team.

jballa838 · 05-26-2007, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

I think anybody that has a chance to get out of Seattle will. They are very unstable with where they're going to be in the future and they aren't a very good team to begin with.

Injuries of Ridnour and Swift de-railed them this past year. Rashard left becuase he is scared he won't score as much after the sonics get KD with the #2 pick. Ray Ray can still score and was hurt a lot this season. I don't think they will contend this year, but next year if they have a solid draft, they will be able to maybe win their division, which looks to get tougher due to portland's luck, and great draft strategy, i.e B.ROY

Nitschke-Hawk · 05-26-2007, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

Man I love Yi! I hope he's there when Milwaukee picks 6th

You don't want that, he's the same player as Villanueva, unless you want two similar players.

Nitschke-Hawk · 05-26-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lions WMD

I'm wondering what the Pistons Starting 5 will look like next year.. Chauncey is going to opt out, Chris Webber's contract will be over with.. Could be interesting.

Damn I thought Chauncey was gonna re-sign or did already, maybe that's why the Pistons are talking about how focused they are cause it might be their last chance for a while. Just a thought- the Bulls should sign Chauncey and trade Gordon or Hinrich and a pick for Jermaine O'Neal or something.

Chucky · 05-26-2007, 01:06 PM

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Damn I thought Chauncey was gonna re-sign or did already, maybe that's why the Pistons are talking about how focused they are cause it might be their last chance for a while. Just a thought- the Bulls should sign Chauncey and trade Gordon or Hinrich and a pick for Jermaine O'Neal or something.

Once they signed Chauncey the leverage that they would have with Hinrich would go down dramatically. But that would be great for them if it worked out

Chauncey> Kirk, Jermaine/Pau>Ben Gordon

Nitschke-Hawk · 05-26-2007, 01:13 PM

Yeah Gordon's contract is up after this year, and I heard he wants a max deal, so they could sign and trade him, Deng is coming up too and he needs to be re-signed more than Gordon. He's the Bulls best all around player, and his ceiling is higher than Gordon's. Deng would sign for less and if we locked him up for 5 years his talent will be worth more than his contract soon enough.

soybean · 05-26-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitschke-Hawk

Yeah Gordon's contract is up after this year, and I heard he wants a max deal, so they could sign and trade him, Deng is coming up too and he needs to be re-signed more than Gordon. He's the Bulls best all around player, and his ceiling is higher than Gordon's. Deng would sign for less and if we locked him up for 5 years his talent will be worth more than his contract soon enough.

do basketball teams do sign and trades? i thought teams like players with expiring contracts that way they can negotiate their own deal when the players' contracts are up...

Chucky · 05-26-2007, 01:21 PM

I think the first thing the bulls need to do is get rid of ben wallace, while his value is still decent. His contract is just way tooo big and they would be better off using the money to resign their own players

skinzzfan25 · 05-26-2007, 01:21 PM

I'd sign Deng for anything he wants in a heartbeat. He's pretty good now, and still hasn't reached his full potential.

EDIT: Forgot about Big Ben. If added to the Wizards they could have a serious shot at taking the East.

P-L · 05-26-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by soybean

do basketball teams do sign and trades? i thought teams like players with expiring contracts that way they can negotiate their own deal when the players' contracts are up...

Teams like expiring contracts because of salary relief. Most of the time if you trade for an expiring contract, you don't plan on re-signing that player. In an NBA trade the incoming and outgoing salaries have to match. Say that you have a player that is signed for 5 years at $10 million per and you want to trade that player and get rid of the cost. You would trade for a guy signed 3 years at $5 million, one signed for 1 year at $3 million, and one signed for 1 year at $2 million. That way. when the current season is over with you freed up $5 million in salary that you can use on other players.

sweetness34 · 05-26-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by skinzzfan25

I'd sign Deng for anything he wants in a heartbeat. He's pretty good now, and still hasn't reached his full potential.

EDIT: Forgot about Big Ben. If added to the Wizards they could have a serious shot at taking the East.

Uh no. Big Ben doesn't solve the problem to your inside scoring woes.

Also, if BG wants a max deal, I say no way. Deng yes, but Gordon hell no. I'd resign BG if the price was right but not a friggin max deal.

WMD · 05-26-2007, 03:07 PM

Who would give Ben Gordon a max contract?

etk · 05-26-2007, 03:11 PM

If the Raptors had their first round pick still, who would they pick? Marco Belinelli? Marcus Williams?

sweetness34 · 05-26-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lions WMD

Who would give Ben Gordon a max contract?

That's what he and his agent are lookin for.

WMD · 05-26-2007, 03:22 PM

I just don't see how anyone would justify giving him that big of a deal.

Bearsfan123 · 05-26-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetness34

That's what he and his agent are lookin for.

then let him go and try and find it elsewhere. Id rather draft a new guy than pay him that type of money. 1 dimensional and he asks for max money.

Bearsfan123 · 05-26-2007, 03:32 PM

oh question, is it possible for a team to agree to a trade during the draft and then execute it later?

my thought was

Portland selects Oden #1 and they also want Conley. So the bulls agree to select him wit #9 and after the draft (when the FA* signings begin) to sign and trade Noc and the rights to Conley for Lamarcus Aldridge and like the rights to Reyshawn Terry whom the Blazers selected in the second round for us.

This is just a dream scenario with no possible way of occuring but the purpose is to find out if its possible for teams to do.

Shiver · 05-26-2007, 03:34 PM

Am I the only person in the 'Portland should take Kevin Durant' bandwagon?

jballa838 · 05-26-2007, 03:38 PM

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Am I the only person in the 'Portland should take Kevin Durant' bandwagon?

most likely.

RoyHall#1 · 05-26-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by etk

If the Raptors had their first round pick still, who would they pick? Marco Belinelli? Marcus Williams?

Brandon Rush?

jballa838 · 05-26-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Charm City Byrdgang

My favorite second round guys,

G Rodney Stuckey Eastern Washington (I think he will move into the late first though)

Stuckey is legit.

SeanTaylorRIP · 05-26-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearsfan123

oh question, is it possible for a team to agree to a trade during the draft and then execute it later?

my thought was

Portland selects Oden #1 and they also want Conley. So the bulls agree to select him wit #9 and after the draft (when the FA* signings begin) to sign and trade Noc and the rights to Conley for Lamarcus Aldridge and like the rights to Reyshawn Terry whom the Blazers selected in the second round for us.

This is just a dream scenario with no possible way of occuring but the purpose is to find out if its possible for teams to do.

Atlanta might take Conley or atleast have given the illusion that they will and will continue to whether or not they want him for leverage. It is clear that Portland would need to trade up to #3 to get Conley. If you trade a big name player like Randolph lets say for a specific player you better be in a spot where the guy you know will be there and #3 is the only spot with that insurance, no way are they dealing with the Bulls at #9.

sweetness34 · 05-26-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jballa838

most likely.

Why are you rolling your eyes? I wouldn't fault them for taking him at all.

fenikz · 05-26-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jballa838

Stuckey is legit.

i have a felling that someone will take him alot earlier than expected

phoenix would be nice