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Old 07-25-2006, 10:47 PM    (permalink
 
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As of now I would say Ken Lucas and Chris Gamble, but in 2 years I can pretty much guarantee it's DeAngelo Hall and Jimmy Williams.
Jimmy Williams has proven absolutely nothing so far.
nothing but a great work ethic and that he may unseat Webster as early as camp. oh did I mention that he has promised to be at camp on time?
And every player that shows up to camp on time turns out to be a player great enough to say that they'll be the best corner tandem in the NFL. I'm not even going to argue this with you, it's beyond stupid.
compared to the last 2 players we had hold out and they got injured and missed the first few games of the season...
Congratulations! You didnt draft a . Do you want a cookie? Coming to camp on time doesnt make you 'elite' or even 'good'.
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It does show that he has a dedication to the team and wants to work and get better, which was questioned about him. It's a big deal because it's Williams. Also delete the curse word in your post.
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It does show that he has a dedication to the team and wants to work and get better, which was questioned about him. It's a big deal because it's Williams. Also delete the curse word in your post.
Great, so he proved he is a hard worker. That should be a given with any player who isnt a punk or an idiot for misbehaving. Im not saying its not good that he has done these things but it doesnt amount to a hill of beans when discussing the top CB duos.
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It does show that he has a dedication to the team and wants to work and get better, which was questioned about him. It's a big deal because it's Williams. Also delete the curse word in your post.
Great, so he proved he is a hard worker. That should be a given with any player who isnt a punk or an idiot for misbehaving. Im not saying its not good that he has done these things but it doesnt amount to a hill of beans when discussing the top CB duos.
When Williams was a top 15 talent without the character issues it's kind of an issue in this artical.
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It does show that he has a dedication to the team and wants to work and get better, which was questioned about him. It's a big deal because it's Williams. Also delete the curse word in your post.
Great, so he proved he is a hard worker. That should be a given with any player who isnt a punk or an idiot for misbehaving. Im not saying its not good that he has done these things but it doesnt amount to a hill of beans when discussing the top CB duos.
When Williams was a top 15 talent without the character issues it's kind of an issue in this artical.
He was training very hard last offseason too, since he wanted for a team to pick him up.
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not sure y people bring up the they only play zone arguement......what does that have to do with anything. u play a system, u play it well, who cares about something that u aren't asked to do?? its an irrelevant point to a weak arguement. Ronde is a very solid corner and does a great job for Tampa.

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Olandis Gary played in Denver's system and played it well. Does that make him a good running back? No. Same goes with Barber. He plays well in the system he's in because it masks his weaknesses. And he has too many weaknesses to be considered a top corner.[quote]

Orlandis Gary played only 1 season in denver, and any runningback that plays in that system gets it done. u can't say anything similar to that for the discussion we were having......Barber has produced many years, and to say any CB that plays there produces is highly exagerated. maybe had Orlandis Gary played a few more seasons there u could make half an arguement with that, but as of now its very weak and has no substance.

many players are players of the system. THATS Y THEY GET THOSE PLAYERS FOR THE SYSTEM. its not rocket science. why ask someone to do something they don't do as well, thats stupidity. and the coach should be fired. but thats not the case.

i'm not sure how i got stuck sticking up for Ronde Barber, but give the guy a break. u produce the way ur team needs u, and u still get nothing in return. give me a break.

as for Vasher. he makes plays, people can say what they want, but even the critics would take him in a heartbeat.

u can have all the talent in the world, but unless ur in a system that can help u play to ur strengths, u could be lost. and u have to produce in order to be even considered in that "overrated" (the worlds favorite word) class. people always wanna cut people short. that is, until they come to their team.
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also, how did Law & Surtain suddenly get so many votes.....oh thats right, no one watches the NY Jets.
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also, how did Law & Surtain suddenly get so many votes.....oh thats right, no one watches the NY Jets.
It's also because the poll creator left out some of the top duos, and included some mediocre ones.
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With all the 3 wideout sets a much better question would be who's got the best nickle package.
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he's just mad because his homer ass thinks Barber and Kelly is the best duo just like he thinks Chris Simms will be a 4400 yard passer.
how am i a homer? I just think barber and kelly are the best duo in the league.

and do you know who this is?
because you can't see that KElly has been average at best the past 2 years and that Baber and Kell are not the best duo in the lague and haven't been in 3-4 years. and that you think Simms will get 4400 yards. and yes I do know who you are (Darko from DFGFX)
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he's just mad because his homer ass thinks Barber and Kelly is the best duo just like he thinks Chris Simms will be a 4400 yard passer.
how am i a homer? I just think barber and kelly are the best duo in the league.

and do you know who this is?
because you can't see that KElly has been average at best the past 2 years and that Baber and Kell are not the best duo in the lague and haven't been in 3-4 years. and that you think Simms will get 4400 yards. and yes I do know who you are (Darko from DFGFX)
I never said Simms will throw for 4400 yards, i said he has the chance to throw that many yards. I didn't say he will.
But i just find it dumb that barber and kelly arent even an option in this poll. (other doesnt count)
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did anybody she NFL Total Access last night when Rod Woodson said Ty Law was the #5 DB in the whole NFL
Out of FS - SS - CB thats crazy
1. Troy
2. Champ
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4. Reed
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did anybody she NFL Total Access last night when Rod Woodson said Ty Law was the #5 DB in the whole NFL
Out of FS - SS - CB thats crazy
1. Troy
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5. Law
As crazy as Reed being 4th? He is perhaps the best DB in the NFL, and easily the best saftey. That is insane though. I'd say Ty Law is in about the top 30 DB's.
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did anybody she NFL Total Access last night when Rod Woodson said Ty Law was the #5 DB in the whole NFL
Out of FS - SS - CB thats crazy
1. Troy
2. Champ
3. Hall
4. Reed
5. Law
That might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. However, a lot of analysts are reluctant to admit when players are past their prime. They just go with the same old names and faces.
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