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Old 05-31-2007, 03:30 PM    (permalink
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I wouldn't classify McGahee as a downgrade from Jamal Lewis. Willis is younger, faster, has more potential, and is a better receiver out of the backfield than Lewis. While he's not going to run over LB's 30 times a game, he is a more explosive playmaker.

I cannot argue with you that losing Thomas is going to be tough for your defense, but the overall unit remains strong. If they can get Jarrett Johnson working well within the system and limiting his mistakes, you might not miss Adelius that much.

Well Im a pessimistic person so I can't think that way, but hopefully your right.
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Well, when players get injured, it is up to the coaches and the players to adjust. I put blame on the offensive coaching staff for not making the changes and on Eli for not working with his other weapons to make things happen better.

of course, but then again when you got Tim Carter out there as a starter, you got some issues lol
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Worse off than last year ??? The Giants stand out as do the Titans.
However I can't figure out why the Vikings haven't been mentioned yet.

They gave up or gave away their top 3 WR's from last year as well as their best pass catching TE. They overpay to bring in Wade and soemthing called Shiancoe to replace them..then dump the only starting Qb on the roster that has more than 5 wins in his career.
Let their MLB go ...so they could move back their WLB (who had been excelling there) who'd failed miserably there just 2 years ago.
They let go their starting nickel back (Smoot) and now their top CB (Winfield) is threatening to hold out.

They failed to get any help to their O-Line (especially the right side) and
still haven't gotten a better option at O.C. (head play caller) than the same turd who did nothing there last year.

I'm guessing if this team doesn't somehow make the playoffs Mr. Childress'
head coaching stint may be over.
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I don't know why people think that the Bills are worse off than last year
- London Fletcher does not fit our Cover-2 system. He made too many tackles downfield, and was a liability in pass coverage
- Willis McGahee clearly didn't want to be here, and he didn't always give 100%
- Takeo Spikes might not recover from his Achilles Tendon injury
- Nate Clements signed for $80 million, even though he did not play like that here. Also, you don't need great corners in the Cover-2.
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I don't know why people think that the Bills are worse off than last year
- London Fletcher does not fit our Cover-2 system. He made too many tackles downfield, and was a liability in pass coverage
- Willis McGahee clearly didn't want to be here, and he didn't always give 100%
- Takeo Spikes might not recover from his Achilles Tendon injury
- Nate Clements signed for $80 million, even though he did not play like that here. Also, you don't need great corners in the Cover-2.

And you got Marshawn Lynch you lucky bass turds!
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Based on what exactly?
An aggressive defensive minded coach, coming from the Jim Johson coaching tree who will replace the dope Tim Lewis. Firing our OC Huffy, and promoting Gilbride. When Amani Toomer went down we had no other wr step up because Moss was hurt, and Carter was allergic to the ball. So we drafted Steve Smith, and from what I heard Moss is 100%. So two new guys to help our offense. Tiki retired, and so we have been smart in developing Brandon Jacobs, who will be our back, and share some carries with Droughns.

I don't think we will be superbowl bound anytime soon, but I disagree 100% that we will be worse off.
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I dont understand while people think the Giants are so much worse off.

Tiki was the only big loss, but its time for Eli to step up, and Brandon will be fine.

The LaVar/Emmons cuts were not big deal. Neither did anything last year.

And Luke was hurt all last year anyway.

What did they lose that was so bad?

People dont realize how many injuries the Giants had. Both pro bowl DE's, 2 LB's, 2 CB's, 1 safety, LT, RT, C, 3 WR's, TE, a third DE.
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i don't think the steelers are switching to 4-3 this season, maybe in the future, but i don't think that's the plan for '07. If Ben is back to form they'll do well, if not then they'll have another average year. If he plays like he can they can win it again, but i wouldn't be surprised if he's just mediocre. i hope not...
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I can't wait to see what kind of Cover 2 the Chiefs run. I thought the Vikings were a joke of a Cover 2.
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I dont understand while people think the Giants are so much worse off.

Tiki was the only big loss, but its time for Eli to step up, and Brandon will be fine.

The LaVar/Emmons cuts were not big deal. Neither did anything last year.

And Luke was hurt all last year anyway.

What did they lose that was so bad?

People dont realize how many injuries the Giants had. Both pro bowl DE's, 2 LB's, 2 CB's, 1 safety, LT, RT, C, 3 WR's, TE, a third DE.
Barber was there MVP last season and got them into the playoffs. They have the same head coach, they lost Luke who was good, they didn't lose anyone else that was big but they didn't bring anyone big in either. As for there injuries they aren't revlevant to whether they improved there team or not.
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I'll admit i'm a bit worried about our left side, but there have been rumors of us trading for Schaffer from Cleveland. Not much of an upgrade, but at least we'll get to keep Deihl at LG, a position he plays very well, and have a true LT. If we don't make that move, i'll be a bit worried. Guy Whimper has been splitting time with Deihl on the first team at LT. He is very young, very athletic but still a bit raw. Probably not much of a downgrade over Petitgout.

As for RB, i'm not really worried one bit. Brandon Jacobs at 6'4" 260 pounds with 4.4 speed will be a nightmare for defenses as a starter. Rueben Droughns, his backup, will help him with his blocking and running style. Our #3 RB will be Ahmad Bradshaw, who is being called the steal of the draft. He absolutely amazed everyone with his speed, and cutback ability so far. I know it's early, but we have plenty to be optimistic about at the RB position.
If size and measurables were everything Chris Henry would have run for more than 3.3 ypc at U of A. I love Jacobs' size, he's also got good not great speed, but to say you aren't worried after losing a borderline HOF back is ridiculous
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of course, but then again when you got Tim Carter out there as a starter, you got some issues lol
Philly's won division titles with FredEx and Todd Pinkston as their 1 and 2 receivers. It's not impossible
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Philly's won division titles with FredEx and Todd Pinkston as their 1 and 2 receivers. It's not impossible

But they also had Donovan instead of Eli as a QB.

The problem with the Giants is Eli. Without teams fearing Tiki, Eli will suffer again this year.

Eli Manning is now, and will be, a 75-80 passer rating QB who suffers from inaccuracy (i.e. below 60% completion) and less than a 2:1 TD to INT ratio. That's Eli.
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But they also had Donovan instead of Eli as a QB.

The problem with the Giants is Eli. Without teams fearing Tiki, Eli will suffer again this year.

Eli Manning is now, and will be, a 75-80 passer rating QB who suffers from inaccuracy (i.e. below 60% completion) and less than a 2:1 TD to INT ratio. That's Eli.
Well the way some Giants fans on here speak of him you'd think Jacobs is going to unseat LT as the best RB in the game, so you never know ;)
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But they also had Donovan instead of Eli as a QB.

The problem with the Giants is Eli. Without teams fearing Tiki, Eli will suffer again this year.

Eli Manning is now, and will be, a 75-80 passer rating QB who suffers from inaccuracy (i.e. below 60% completion) and less than a 2:1 TD to INT ratio. That's Eli.
He's been in the league what 2 years ? and I believe he's help put the Giants in the playoffs both years....so, give the guy a break.
Seriously, how many years did it take for his brother to make a bowl ?
Give him some time.
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But they also had Donovan instead of Eli as a QB.

The problem with the Giants is Eli. Without teams fearing Tiki, Eli will suffer again this year.

Eli Manning is now, and will be, a 75-80 passer rating QB who suffers from inaccuracy (i.e. below 60% completion) and less than a 2:1 TD to INT ratio. That's Eli.
Why is a qb not allowed to progress at all? Take a look at some of the other great qbs that came into the league and played their first two full seasons. Their numbers blow! Plus 2/3 playoff appearances, alot of throwing attempts, even with a pro bowl RB, more Tds then Ints, two years in a row, and lots of yards, for his TWO FULL seasons, is pretty damn good. I find it comical how people expect some sick numebers right off the bat. Not only that we had a tool of an offensive coordinator, who got fired towards the end of the season with games to go. So he accomplished all that with him.
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I can't see anyway you can make the Steelers sound better coming into this season than they were last year. We will have a new coach, our best lineman is going to holdout, the loss of Joey Porter, and no big additions in the offseason.

The only things that look better are our QB, WR, RB, and P. Ben is healthy, Holmes will be the starter, Duce isn't on the roster and Gardocki was cut.
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Why is a qb not allowed to progress at all? Take a look at some of the other great qbs that came into the league and played their first two full seasons. Their numbers blow! Plus 2/3 playoff appearances, alot of throwing attempts, even with a pro bowl RB, more Tds then Ints, two years in a row, and lots of yards, for his TWO FULL seasons, is pretty damn good. I find it comical how people expect some sick numebers right off the bat. Not only that we had a tool of an offensive coordinator, who got fired towards the end of the season with games to go. So he accomplished all that with him.
K easy on those two playoff appearances. He's still 0/2, and they've gotten there on the strength of Tiki Barber. And sometimes he looks like he's legitimately good, then he goes ahead and screws it up by making a dumb throw. When analysts are saying you're supposed to be better than your HOF-to-be brother, I expect numbers right away. Considering he came into a much better situation than his brother, yes, I do expect a lot early.
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K easy on those two playoff appearances. He's still 0/2, and they've gotten there on the strength of Tiki Barber. And sometimes he looks like he's legitimately good, then he goes ahead and screws it up by making a dumb throw. When analysts are saying you're supposed to be better than your HOF-to-be brother, I expect numbers right away. Considering he came into a much better situation than his brother, yes, I do expect a lot early.
Yeah o/2, in his first two spots.. Sometimes qbs can't even make the playoffs in their first two full seasons. Actually while Tiki was good for us, we still threw the ball ranking up there in attempts in the NFL. SO it def. was balanced from that standpoint.

Analysts, lol, I don't really care what they say, good or bad actually. Never was one to take another's opinion to heart, unless I personally did my hw on the player. I would actually take a die hard fans opinion, who sleeps and breathes his team's advice over the analysts. But that's just me.

Came into a much better situation? Are you sure about that? You know we were 4-12? Also, our oline was garbage, and Tiki was a fumbler then. It was Coughlin who fixed it up and made him the good player that he was. So I disagree about that one.

But I do agree with you that he flashes good things, and makes dumb throws that I agree with. But this whole thing that he is doing bad things, and stuff like that is the thing I find inaccurate. Yeah sometimes I get annoyed at what he does, but overall I am happy with his first two full seasons, and I find that there is alot of room for improvement.
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