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Old 06-09-2007, 08:39 PM    (permalink
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I will now test this theory
And you seem to have a man crush on Manning
I really dont care about Manning, i am not even a colts fan, but atleast i can point to facts and not some simple love affair.
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Is Timmy Chang the greatest QB in NCAA history, and is he playing in the NFL right now?
Because if stats are everything then Chang=God
Hey genius boy you forgot to respond to this!
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Old 06-09-2007, 08:41 PM    (permalink
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Hey guys, this just in: Kurt Warner is the NFLs 3rd best QB all-time. Jay Cutler is better than Tom Brady. These are hard facts. You simply can't argue with them. Also, Steve Young is the best ever, hands down. Sorry Neo, you're out of luck. I am THE authority on football things like this, and these are the stone cold facts. You can't argue with them. you just can't. It wouldn't be possible.


All Hail! His facts are so stone cold! You can't argue with this mans hard facts!
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First 8 Elway vs McNabb make a case for Elway... Seriously make your best attempt at a case... there really is none... REPEAT AFTER ME MCNABB's FIRST 8 SEASONS ARE BETTER THAN ELWAYS. (by far)
HOW ABOUT WHEN ELWAY WON MVP? HMM? I GUESS IT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN NFL.COM'S BASIC LAYOUT OF

Name-Yards-TD-INT-Passer Rating.


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He's gone for a week.
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Old 06-09-2007, 08:47 PM    (permalink
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Old 06-09-2007, 08:47 PM    (permalink
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First 8 Elway vs McNabb make a case for Elway... Seriously make your best attempt at a case... there really is none... REPEAT AFTER ME MCNABB's FIRST 8 SEASONS ARE BETTER THAN ELWAYS. (by far)
Reading comprehension isn't your strong point huh? I just called you out for having nothing to back up your BS except stats and you tell me to refer to the stats.

As for McNabb, he played 10 games or fewer in 3 of those seasons. He isn't a leader and can't stay healthy so who cares what his production is. Just looking at stats Steve Young is the best qb to ever play. His accuracy was over 70% in 2 of his seasons I believe. He has the highest passer rating of any qb in the HOF so he is undoubtedly the best right?
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Reading comprehension isn't your strong point huh? I just called you out for having nothing to back up your BS except stats and you tell me to refer to the stats.

As for McNabb, he played 10 games or fewer in 3 of those seasons. He isn't a leader and can't stay healthy so who cares what his production is. Just looking at stats Steve Young is the best qb to ever play. His accuracy was over 70% in 2 of his seasons I believe. He has the highest passer rating of any qb in the HOF so he is undoubtedly the best right?
Oh and he threw up in the Super Bowl. And began to throw screen passes at 90 MPH. The guy breaks down under pressure. He's like Dwight Freeney. Only plays good when hes ahead
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Old 06-09-2007, 08:56 PM    (permalink
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Old 06-10-2007, 12:38 AM    (permalink
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Oh and he threw up in the Super Bowl. And began to throw screen passes at 90 MPH. The guy breaks down under pressure. He's like Dwight Freeney. Only plays good when hes ahead
Hey, hey I'm saying he's not as good as Elway, but there's no need to bash my man Donovan.
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Old 06-10-2007, 12:47 AM    (permalink
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Oh and he threw up in the Super Bowl. And began to throw screen passes at 90 MPH. The guy breaks down under pressure. He's like Dwight Freeney. Only plays good when hes ahead
Whoa buddy take it easy. I beg to differ on that "only plays good when he's ahead". I'm sorry, I fail to see that.
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Whoa buddy take it easy. I beg to differ on that "only plays good when he's ahead". I'm sorry, I fail to see that.
Sorry but Neo has me pretty pissed, I have to throw out everything
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Hahaha Neo you're a tard. The fact taht you've been trying so hard to bash Elway for 6 pages of this thread is quite amusing. The FACT that every professioanl NFL analyst and member on this board disagrees/would disagree with you doesn't really get to you? Let me just say this... Elway was/is/will be the ULTIMATE QB prospect in history. You talk about his inaccuracy, but scouts during his time said he could LASER a ball with SUPURB accuracy from 40-60 yards out. This is why many scouts also believe that there has never been a true "franchise QB" since Elway... not even Peyton Manning.

Also, you credit teams for wins, but aren't teams also catalysts for QB statistics? Put John Elway in today's Colt's offense. Give him Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Addai (back then Edge too), an elite O-Line, in a DOME for half the season, in addition to the rule where DBs cannot place their hands on WRs past 5 yards and Elway would've put up just as good if not better statistics.

I believe NJX9 poitned out that Marino had no where near passing options Manning does. That's a fact. Now let me extend this further. Elway had even less offensive weapons than Marino UNTIL late in his career. Your bringing up of statistics is amusing. Jake Plummer's best statistical season yardage-wise of 4089 yards surpasses taht of John Elway's best yardage season. However, I dare you to come to Denver and try to suggest that Plummer is better than Elway with that statistic.

Myriad people mention how Elway enjoyed the best seasons of his CAREER in his last two seasons... but not just in terms of Super Bowl wins.. but also in his statistics. Elway enjoyed his BEST STATISTICAL SEASONS his LAST two years... isn't that kind of odd? He is definitely passed his prime by then in his late 30's. Right, that's because it reasserts my poitn that teams are large factors with QB's statistics. Give Elway in his PRIME the team that he had late in his career and the Broncos may have been a dynasty of the ages.

Moron, playing in different eras and with subpar supporting casts have A LOT to do with more than wins, they produce the luxury statistics that QB's nowadays can easily achieve.
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Just let it be known that being a QB has little to do with stats and numbers..
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in a DOME for half the season
Not to mention Mile High aint all that pretty in winter
Manning cant do anything in bad weather
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I don't really think anybody believes that winning a super bowl makes a great QB. Sure it helps, but if you actually think that what you are saying is common belief, then there is something wrong.
Troy Aikman was a first ballot hall of famer because of the wins he got. Terry Bradshaw was the same way.

10-15 other QBs in the league could have done what Troy Aikman did. Should Chris Chandler be a hall of famer? No? He was a better QB than Aikman was, he just didn't have the weapons.
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